“Something else regarding the Patriot Act that you may or may not be aware of - it was drafted and written months before 9/11.”
What a goofball. Yes….The evil Federal Government was laying in wait for their opportunity to spring a tyrannical plan on the millions of ignorant, fat, lazy uneducated, indifferent Americans. Show me where anyone involved in writing the Patriot Act [Not anything else] has stated that the Patriot Act was written prior to 9/11.
“I point out yet again that it would appear that most of those in DC right now believe our Constitution is printed on rubber instead of paper just like they did when Clinton was in the White House.”
I did not ask you about what appears to you about others beliefs.
“The two can not be separated like that.”
The two are separate.
“As Ben Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor safety." (November 11, 1755.)”
Can you give me the response Ben Franklin had when asked how he would deal with a Nuclear threat?
No you cannot. I respect and esteem his words…I don’t apply them blindly in order to justify my own incompetence in the face of the threat our Nation faces.
“You can't have it both ways. We either have liberty or we have government 'guaranteed' safety”
Yet another infantile statement. At what point was your cerebral development arrested? We already have Government guaranteed security and personal freedom in this nation. You attempt to ratchet the process up to a ridiculous example. Nobody is calling for total lockdown…nor could it be accomplished. But in order to deal with the threats we now face…the steps taken are reasonable….and have a time limit.
“If the Federal government were really interested”
Again, grow up. The Federal Government is a conglomeration of divisions and departments the like of which have never been assembled ever…you can argue their merit but it is not a singular being with a singular train of thought or intent.
“I've even go so far as to tell you how big a joke all this federalized airport security is”
Nobody asked you about that nor is it remotely part of my original post….again, stop meandering. People want reality…not the opinion of critics.
“we have lost the right to be secure in our persons and in our papers and up until just a few years ago we all understood that road-blocks by the police just to check for papers was blatantly unconstitutional.”
Again…meandering. I said No American has been unlawfully detained.
“What TIPS seeks to do is train…”
Yes…I am glad you agree that TIPS was not a law.
“This makes as much sense as saying let's go out and shoot a certain kind of child because they will more than likely grow up to be hoodlums.”
Only your mind could get that from: Our Nation is under a very cogent threat of Biological as well as nuclear attack. This is not 1776 where we’ll be able to rally the minutemen to protect the Nation from a developing invasion. ...Prevention is the only way to orient ourselves towards and overcome these threats.
“I must have missed that remark. I honestly don't recall anyone advocating having Americans die to have his/her ideas upheld.”
Yes, you missed it.
“I think that if our Founders were alive today they would be more appalled at”
I did not ask you what you thought someone else would think.
“Do you honestly believe this??”
Did you read a disclaimer anywhere in the post? Stop wasting bandwidth asking questions you could easily answer if you applied yourself.
“Thankfully, once again, our Founding Fathers had the wisdom and foresight to plan for just such and eventuality. It's called the chain of command.”
“Chain of command” is a military term to be found nowhere in documents written by the founding fathers. I challenge you to provide us with one. Do not skim over this response…I will hold you to it infinitum.
“We might be shaken but I seriously doubt that we would crumble.”
Is that the fallback gamble? We would be shaken but we wouldn’t crumble in the face of the Nation’s Capitol taking a nuclear detonation?
“I got FReepmail from quite a few of them last night and this morning welcoming me back to posting here.”
Quite a few? 3? I challenge all of them to make their case or support open. ~grin~
“Yes, the 1700 and 1800s are gone and water under the bridge. Something comes to mind…”
Yadayadayada thank you for the acknowledgment.
“What would the Founders have thought about your statement?”
They’re dead…you’ll never know. Nor will anyone else. Stop wasting energy divining what Patrick Henry would’ve retorted to me with. You respond.
“Alas!! Now we finally get down to the truth! You seem to be of the belief that the US. Constitution and its founding ideals are outmoded and outdated…”
Oi…again with the schizophrenic rhetoric. I said: “to honestly believe in the possibility of a return to the original state of national and international affairs that our Nation enjoyed when it was written and established is willfully infantile and ignorant”….furthermore its completely impossible.
“I know that you won't listen to anything I've said but I also know that there are lots of people who lurk more than they post that will take my…”
Fantasyland…let these heretofore unseen posters support you now.
Same thing.
You sir/madame are worse than an unweened infant when it comes to your understanding, or lack thereof, of the US Constitution and this just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Our Rights are NOT guaranteed nor are they granted by anyone or anything in government. They are granted (read: given) to us by our CREATOR, you nincompoop and until you can grasp this simple FACT, all attempts at discourse with you have just ended.
un·ap·proach·a·ble Pronunciation Key (n-prch-bl)
adj.
1. Not friendly; aloof: an unapproachable executive.
2. Not accessible; inapproachable: an unapproachable chalet high in the Alps.
I believe the term you are looking for is "above or beyond reproach".
---max