Israel approves settlement plan to erase idea of Palestinian state [barf alert]

Al-Reuters ^ | August 20, 20252:47 PM EDT

[Olog-hai]

A widely condemned Israeli settlement plan that would cut across land which the Palestinians seek for a state received final approval on Wednesday, according to a statement from Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.

The approval of the E1 project, which would bisect the occupied West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem, was announced last week by Smotrich and received final go-ahead from a defense ministry planning commission on Wednesday, he said. […]

A German government spokesperson commenting on the announcement told reporters on Wednesday that settlement construction violates international law and “hinders a negotiated two-state solution and an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank”. […]

Most of the international community considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal under international law. Israel disputes this, citing historical and biblical ties to the area and saying the settlements provide strategic depth and security. …

[dfwgator]

The reason the west (mainly England and France) carved up the Middle East however they saw fit was pure FAFO. The Ottoman Empire joined WW1 on the losing side. Big mistake.

Lawrence
Lawrence of Arabia
He was an English guy
He came to fight the Turkish......Meep! Meep!

[Jet Jaguar]

Great movie!

[Olog-hai]

Stop making up red hereings. There was no “Arab majority” and the powers that held the Mandate had every obligation to fulfill the creation of the Jewish state. Opus?

[Glad2bnuts]

Look at the map of Israel, year by year since 1948.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/172jcvk/palestinian_loss_of_land_1947_to_2023_1300x1900/

[Tell It Right]

But I must ask, what right did the Jewish minority in 1948 (they made up only 1/3 of the population) have to declare the creation of a Jewish state without approval of the Arab majority? And how can they claim ownership over territories that were overwhelmingly Arab?

Look at the maps in my post 10 and a reminder of FAFO in post 13, including the recent ownership of white European slaves that the OE didn’t free until a few years before WW1. I think with that backdrop it would be a bit unrealistic to expect the WW1 and WW2 Allies to worry about treating this Muslim group or that Muslim group wrongly when figuring out what the Allies thought was best for that land.

And IIRC the OE itself had a census showing that the largest ethnic group in Jerusalem before WW1 were the Jews. The European Jews had for years been buying land from owners in the dwindling OE and moving there.

[JBW1949]

There has never been a country called Palestine in the sense of a fully independent, sovereign state existing within the modern nation-state system before the establishment of modern-day Israel in 1948

[JBW1949]

There has never been a country called Palestine in the sense of a fully independent, sovereign state existing within the modern nation-state system before the establishment of modern-day Israel in 1948

[Lurker]

“Then separate them into two different states.”

They have 3. They’re called Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. Shove every last one of those savages into them at gunpoint. Shoot anyone who twitches resistance.

L

[Petrosius]

Stop making up red hereings. There was no “Arab majority”

Do not confuse what you wish were the truth with the truth itself. Now for the facts:

HISTORICAL POPULATION OF PALESTINE

Year	Jews	Christians	Muslims	Total
1533–1539	5	6	145	157
1690-1691	2	11	219	232
1800	7	22	246	275
1890	43	57	432	532
1914	94	70	525	689
1922	84	71	589	752
1931	175	89	760	1,033
1947	630	143	1,181	1,970

Figures in thousands. Source: Sergio Della Pergola, "Demography in Israel/Palestine: Trends, Prospects, Policy Implications," IUSSP XXIVth General Population Conference in Salvador de Bahia, Brazil, 18-21 August 2001.

If you wish to challenge these numbers please provide your source.

the powers that held the Mandate had every obligation to fulfill the creation of the Jewish state.

The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine did not call for the establishment of a Jewish state:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country;

Additionally, the State of Israel was not formed by the British under the League of Nations mandate, which ended on May 14, 1948. Rather is was unilaterally declared by the Jewish authorities. So I again ask, what right did the Jewish minority in 1948 (they made up only 1/3 of the population) have to declare the creation of a Jewish state without approval of the Arab majority?

[Petrosius]

They have 3. They’re called Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

These states are for Egyptians, Syrians, and Jordanians, nor for Palestinian Arabs.

Shove every last one of those savages into them at gunpoint. Shoot anyone who twitches resistance.

And how is this any different from the Arabs' wish to drive the Israelis into the sea?

[Olog-hai]

Ah, left-wing historical revision from 2001. Never mind citing the League of Nations, who were not the authority in Mandatory “Palestine”.

Opus?

[Danie_2023]

“”Actually, they are immigrants (illegal?) from Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, and elsewhere...””

They are obnoxious squatters that have aligned with terrorists for only one reason. Their shared hatred of Israel and Jews.

[Petrosius]

Ah, left-wing historical revision from 2001.

Again, if you dispute the numbers give your source.

Never mind citing the League of Nations, who were not the authority in Mandatory “Palestine”.

It was the League of Nations that assigned the mandate to Great Britain. The British never exercised sovereign power over Palestine.

[frnewsjunkie]

God gave the land to the Jews.
Jesus walked and taught in that land
Jesus returns to that land.
Those who want Jews gone from that land, those who do not want Jesus to return there.. have long time tried to take that land.
They have not reconciled to the knowledge that Jesus Christ is the ultimate King. No man can undo or stop what GOD has set in process. And no man can stop Jesus from returning to the earth, landing on the mount of Olives.

[Olog-hai]

You already are guilty of argumentum ad verecundiam. Never mind you attempting to thwart the will of God anyhow, on a pro-Israel forum no less. Opus?

[Lurker]

“nor for Palestinian Arabs.”

There is no such thing as a “palestinian”.

There are Egyptian Arabs in Gaza. Shove them back into Egypt.
There are Jordanian Arabs in the West Bank. Shove them back into Jordan
There are Syrian Arabs in the Golan Heights. Shove them back into Syria.

Annex all those territories into Israel.

Anything else is madness.

L

[BlueLancer]

A LEAGUE OF NOTIONS
Al Stewart

I'm here sitting in the wreck of Europe
With a map of Europe
Spread out in a hall of Versailles
And every single nationality and principality
Have come for a piece of the pie

I'm here sitting in the wreck of Europe
With a map of Europe
And the lines and the borders are gone
We've got to do this jigsaw puzzle
It's an awful muddle
But somehow we've got to go on

Lawrence of Arabia is waiting in the wings
He's got some Arab sheikhs and kings
And we're in debt to them somehow
Lawrence of Arabia has got this perfect vision
Gonna sell him down the river
There's no time for him now

I think I'm gonna take a piece of Russia
And a piece of Germany
And give them to Poland again
I'll put together Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia
And hope that is how they'll remain

Then I'll take a bit of Turkey
Then a lot of Turkey
This is all quite a heady affair
There's Persia and Iraq to pick up
And there's Churchill's Hiccup
And we can't leave it up in the air

Woodrow Wilson waves his fourteen points around
And says "The time to act is now
Won't get this opportunity again"
Woodrow Wilson has his fourteen points
But Clemenceau turns to Lloyd George
And says "You know that
God himself had only ten"

Today I'm carried by a league of notions
By a league of notions
I don't think I quite understand
I only know from this commotion
There's a chance that we could turn
The world in the palm of our hands

Voices in the corridors of power
Candles burning hour by hour
Still you know that to the victors go the spoils
Such a great responsibility to make it fair
And there must be some reparations now
And don't forget the oil

Today I'm carried by a league of notions
By a league of notions
I don't think I quite understand
I only know from this commotion
There's a chance that we could turn
The world in the palm of our hands

Pax vobiscum

[Petrosius]

There is no such thing as a “palestinian”

It does not matter what you call them. Half of the population in Israel/Palestine are Arabs and have as much right to live there as the Jewish population. Why do the Jews have greater rights than the Arabs?

[Petrosius]

So you cannot dispute any of the facts that I have presented. Noted.

[Lurker]

“Why do the Jews have greater rights than the Arabs?”

Because the Jews aren’t trying to exterminate them. The Arabs would quite happily kill every Jew on the planet.

Jews are civilized.
muslim Arabs are uncivilized savages.

That’s why.

Any more stupid questions?

L