- You can’t refute facts
No, that would be you, for you have not refuted anything I just recently said, or made mention of weeks ago.
Besides...there was nothing in that pdf which I had not seen previous to your posting that thread. There was nothing new there, for it was just a long-winded rehashing of things which had been much discussed elsewhere. The portions of it in regard to the Magdalena laundries are just some much empty assertion which is well refuted elsewhere, far beyond the "Philomena" story/dramatization, which story still carried much basic truth, in that significant numbers of babies and toddlers were indeed adopted out, many to the United States. There ARE records of that..and there was money involved, I just don't know how much...
For the other portions which could "be refuted" -- I had already done THAT previous to the publication of that "Catholic League", Donahue diatribe which you linked to.
How many sentences was in that thing, anyway?
Your cohort here thinks he can limit myself to 5 -- but I'm expected to have to deal with what -- 500?
Get over yourselves. No one here owes you boys a thing.
My motivation for entering into this discussion in the first place, was the over-reaction on the part of yourself and others. Going on the warpath, mixing various slanders in generously with all the rest of your own commentary--- while ignoring anything and everything that didn't fit your own preferred narrative has not be conducive to rational discussion.
I am hoping to clear the air over all this stuff in (partial) review of what can be known, compared to what has been otherwise said about this case.
Things have gotten a bit complicated with all the various charges being so generously tossed around concerning a limited set of actual facts (as opposed to assertion or assumptions) then proceeding from there to the personally slanderous editorialized comments (such as the ones which you have been indulging yourself in) of yet further allegation.
Congratulations. You and verga have turned a "crappy" story into a real FR stinkfest.
Both of you guys should be banned from this site, for you have both proven yourselves incorrigible.
I do know of a little bit more concerning this case further than what has been discussed on FR ...and I have just stumbled upon yet another web-page which appears to supply answers to questions I have been having.
That page goes into detail showing how old cesspit structures (more than one!) were on the property, dating back to the workhouse era are the most likely answer to part of the riddle. Weeks ago I had including speculation...that we did not then know how many cesspits were there from the beginning of the facility (1846) and how many may have become disused, and yet how many MORE other on-site sewage pits there may have been before the facility was eventually connected to local sewerage.
There is some evidence there was yet another septic tank built some short years before the nuns took over the property, leaving nine separate 'vaulted' underground cesspit tanks from previous eras at that time disused.
Being that back in those days, in Ireland, human dung itself had some monetary value for use as fertilizer...it is not impossible to consider those old sewage structures could have been cleaned out -- even before the Bon Secour nuns got there. That would make the usage of the structures innocent enough, diminishing there be any particular scandal for those structures being used as burial crypt.
From on-line photos taken from the architectural plans/drawings the cesspit structures dating from the original era (mid-1840's) do resemble arched burial vaults. If these had fallen into disuse and were not being used as "septic tank" except for in the past, and were possible emptied of human waste in years previous to the nuns being there, once all the information is properly digested, then the use as burial crypt being done as a practicality, absolves the nuns of any malfeasance or particular guilt for this aspect of the overall story.
Here's one photo of the Tuam workhouse cesspit detail, taken from actual (and historical) architectural drawings;
Would you care for links to yet more information?
All that is required of you is to stop the insults, and actually address what I have been trying to say to you for WEEKS, but which you have seemingly yet to examine, giving myself and others in reply nothing much more than one insult after another.
- “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
Your own words judge you, and verga too,, even more harshly...
When are either of you going to be reasonable about all this, instead of milking it for all it's worth as platform to hurl insult and epithet at people around here?
If that's all you guys are about, then you are not worthy to call yourselves "freepers".
OR-- you could repent, quit being such rude jackasses about things, and actually examine evidences which you likely have not yet seen, and consider possibilities beyond your own knee-jerk, emotional reactions which you then follow with personal attack and insults towards others with.