Posted on 04/22/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Senior writer John McCormack joined Greta van Susteren's political panel Monday on Fox News to discuss the protest at the Bundy ranch in Nevada. Watch the video below:
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Meanwhile, in this week's issue, the Scrapbook writes about the problems with Cliven Bundy's cause:
Twenty years ago, the federal government, which owns the land on which Bundy grazes his 900 cattle, decided to impose a grazing fee. Bundy opposes that fee, has consistently refused to pay it, and the federal Bureau of Land Management now claims that he owes $1 million in unpaid fees. Bundy has challenged the grazing fee in federal court—indeed, has challenged the federal government’s title to land in Nevada—and has consistently lost. Sixteen years ago, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Bundy, ordering the removal of his cattle. Bundy appealed that ruling to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, and lost again. Last August, a federal court gave Bundy 45 days to remove his cattle, and in October, a federal district judge ordered Bundy not to “physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.”
This does not sound to The Scrapbook like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around. It sounds, instead, like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and “tying up the courts”—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law. Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.
Bundy has exercised his First Amendment right to plead his case publicly and inflame his admirers. And inflamed they have been: A few hundred people from around the country converged on Nye County, Nevada—many armed and brandishing weapons—to disrupt the government’s attempt to enforce the law, taunting and attacking agents dutifully carrying out the orders of a federal court. Last week, fearful of violence, the BLM suspended its roundup and withdrew from the area.
This is no victory for anyone other than Bundy and, The Scrapbook hopes, a temporary one at that. There is a term to describe the people who surround him, and it isn’t “militia.” The word is “mob.” And what this mob has practiced is not civil disobedience but armed provocation of a democratic government which has afforded Cliven Bundy every right and privilege as a citizen. One of Bundy’s supporters boasted to the press that “we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front.” This is the same spirit that animates people who attack firemen during riots, or opposed school integration with violence in Little Rock, Arkansas. In that case, 57 years ago, President Eisenhower was obliged to send the 101st Airborne because, as he said, “mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts.”
What was true then remains true today. Cliven Bundy is no hero of any kind. No conservative would pick and choose the laws he intends to obey, defy the rest, and challenge the rule of democracy with guns. No hero would adopt the terrorist’s tactic of placing innocents in harm’s way. Any fool can pick up a weapon and aim at an officer of the law; the moral power of civil disobedience lies in the willingness to defer to the law and accept punishment on principle.
Retired now but I was an instructor (college) and a Republican. The political tag is important because throughout my 4+ decades of education I worked amidst a faculty of almost 100% Democrats. My husband was GOP too so it was always wonderful to talk GOP and conservative after a day-full of Democrat and liberal.
My co-workers ended up never discussing politics with me. With the past Democrats in office it was an easy win for me and a repeated loss for them. They couldn't defend the very people they voted for.
You?
By the way, why would this post be pulled when you quite civilly asked me a personal question? You obviously had a previous post pulled. Strange. Your conversation is rational and polite. Why was...oh never mind, NOT my business.
Going to bed now.
Good night and God bless.
Amusing. And you know this about me how?
No need to come up with something pithy...I am no BillO. I just find it astounding when someone labels another poster without explaining how they came to their opinion. Are you saying you’ve concluded I am not conservative...because what? I don’ t agree with you?
I am who I am and I make no apologies for what I believe to be true.
Have a nice evening.
Oh, will you just shut up?
Begone.
My co-workers ended up never discussing politics with me. With the past Democrats in office it was an easy win for me and a repeated loss for them. They couldn't defend the very people they voted for.
No real conservative is fool enough to debate politics at an American university or college where they are employed.
So, this line is pure govShill BS.
Your using that quote was silly. #1 we have no Caesar, #2 using your analogy, if Caesar said give me your first born and all your assets, you would gladly hand them over to Caesar(if we had one and he demanded it). Your the type of person that no one would want watching their back in a time of war. What do you know about the religious beliefs of those that resisted the unconstitutional demands.
I am too old and too far away from Bundy's, but if it was happening in my area I would have joined them...The BLM was looking and hoping for another Ruby Ridge, to murder citizens under the cover of law....I suppose by your answer, I can assume you were all for the killing of women and children at Waco also.....You are to be pitied. That is after I read your silly answer to my post..
Unless your a mind reader of the Lord, you have not the slightest idea of what he would say, so why bring it up. This was not a religious discussion....
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Well said.
Big deal instructor (college).... reminds me of those who can do... do and those who can’t teach.... Personal experience with “instructors” proves this to me.
Why should anyone care what that liberal rag publishes?
Okay Missy Viking Kitty... I acknowledge your battle... ;)
Who is the nutter?
In the USA: War against energy production - coal - oil War against availability of water for citizens War against freedom to roam in wilderness areas War against ownership of properties, mineral and water rights. War against farmers in the California central valley. Water - any and every vestige of water provides a platform for them to litigate against you. There is so much more... trash, sewage, water, power, transportation, freedom of movement from city to city is next. They are circling the noose and many are willingly putting it around their own neck.
I don’t think it matters a whit if you donate to JR... if you are a commie socialist POS.. he would zot you no questions asked. Question is are you???
Same goes for the Founding Fathers refusing to play by King George's rules, right? They were law breakers . Their problems didn't arise suddenly either.
I can assure you that Bundy thought long and hard about the consequences of his actions. He decided that he was prepared to die.
Say what you will about some of Bundy's odd assertions. (I do.) The man has big, brass ones. He's all hat with 900 head of cattle.
“The family had been on the the Bundy allotment 150 years.”
A dubious claim.
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny
“Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy’s parents bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.
Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn’t start grazing on that land until 1954.”
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25302186/an-abbreviated-look-at-rancher-cliven-bundys-family-history
Your lack of character by standing with tyrannical government is not deserving of respect and should always be attacked any means necessary. Take your sorry ass back to DU.
“Will the Commerce Department send armed agents to surround their stores and pick off their managers and cashiers?”
Easier to freeze their assets.
I agree. Claims such as this by peasants are superceded by the desires of the Royals, such as Clinton's King's Men in 1993, and those of Lord Harry Reid more recently.
And besides - peasants stink of cow sh*t.
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