Seizethecarp, thanks very much for posting that info from Mr shrimpton!
Heres more comment by Mike Shrimpton:
REJECTION OF OBAMA BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
By Michael Shrimpton 9th November 2012
I recommend people read the comments here at this source link: http://www.veteranstoday.com/?p=228642
Some of the comments are very interesting, and some are funny. As always, ignore the comments that are perverted or stupid comments.
Two comments from the source link: http://www.veteranstoday.com/?p=228642 I will share here:
Michael Shrimpton November 9, 2012 - 2:01 pm
“An interesting mix of comments! Some posters are even starting to make sense! Frank Marshall Davis was the other name put round by the CIA, but I’m not buying. Some of the intel pukes at Langley wanted a name with a genuine claim to US Citizenship. They knew the marriage was bigamous and that even if she were the mother Ann Dunham could not pass her citizenship to BHO, so they came up with Davis, or Malcolm X – depended on who you talked to and when. It was all a nonsense, as paternity was settled by the DNA test.
Only Kenya Colony was referred to as Kenya prior to 1963. Mombasa was formally part of the Sultanate of Zanzibar, and a British Protectorate. Technically, in my opinion, BHO at birth was a Subject of the Sultan of Zanzibar and a British Protected Person. I think it’s fairly clear that he was granted Indonesian citizenship of being adopted by Soetoro.
I had made the point that McCain was ineligible. According to the Supreme Court Romney would be ineligible as I think his father was a Mexican Citizen at the time of his birth. Good point about Rubio – there is an eligibility issue, as the current Supreme Court might follow dicta of the court in Minor v Happersett 88 US 162 (1874).
If the Supreme Court followed the 1874 precedent then both Romney & Rubio would be ineligible. However if you read the decision it is clear that the statement on natural born citizens being citizens born to parents who themselves were citizens was not necessary for the decision, i.e. is not binding precedent, not that the Supreme Court is bound by its own decisions anyway, as we saw on Roe v Wade.
Mrs. Minor is described as a free white woman, born in Missouri to US citizen parents, so far as one can tell. Her citizenship was not in issue. What the court were concerned with was whether she had a constitutional right to vote. Very clearly she did not, indeed the ingenuity of her counsel knew no bounds.
The Court in effect held that if you wanted to change the Constitution you had to amend it, a very reasonable view point if I may say so. It’s a pity the court in Roe v Wade could not have followed their 1874 brethren! I am still baffled with respect as to how any judge could think that George Washington thought he was putting his name to a document which gave mothers the right to kill their unborn babies. I am afraid I was using English usage for dates!”
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J/S November 9, 2012 - 3:18 pm
“I’m glad you mentioned that the Supreme Court has not been bound by its own decisions, not for a long time now. I’m tempted to say that they don’t seem to be bound by common sense, either. For me, common sense would be to go back to what the term “natural born” meant when it was used. It meant a child born in US territory, of 2 parents who were US citizens prior to the child’s birth. So Rubio, as well as Bobby Jindal, Gov. of Louisiana, are both ineligible on the grounds that their parents were not US citizens BEFORE the birth.
For me, the stickiest issue is: What constitutes US territory? I’m not sure what that meant to the Founding Fathers. I think they likely would have considered that a baby born on a US flagged/owned ship in international waters, as long as it was a baby born of 2 US citizen parents, would be a “natural born” US citizen. Likewise a child born on a US military base abroad, or a child born on US embassy grounds abroad, would be considered US territory. To me, that is common sense also. In that case, maybe McCain met the requirement.
Miss Ann Dunham, if she is the mother, should have gone to a US consulate or embassy and given birth there, under a tree or in the bathroom or something. Or in a manger, as long as the US flag flew over it.”
REJECTION OF OBAMA BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
By Michael Shrimpton 9th November 2012
“I recommend people read the comments here at this source link:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/?p=228642
“Some of the comments are very interesting, and some are funny.”
I heartily support WildHighlander57’s recommendation that FReepers read the comments to Shrimpton’s Nov. 2012 article, many of which are used by Shrimpton to elaborate extensively on the subject.
Pinging all y’all to Mr shrimpton’s comments.