[hoosiermama]

She classifies them in two different categories. Would like to see a list of all of the segments

It appears she worked with all facets

Fred and I were discussing the “ring” Maybe this holds the key to where he got it!

The definition of bapak and other terms is interesting

[Fantasywriter]

Yes, it did seem as if she was talking about two separate categories. Blacksmithing doesn’t normally involve jewelry...except in Lord of the Rings, & similar. But that is, ahem, a whole other world.

I don’t know how you’d establish where he got the ring. My $ goes on the Arab guy Obama was sitting next to on the couch...WAY too close to, from a hetero POV. I cd never prove that, however, nor wd I try. I doubt the ring’s disposition can be ascertained via online research, fwiw. But I could end up pleasantly surprised. Time will tell.

[Fred Nerks]

That ring is an African Elephant-Hair ring fashioned in gold. He could have bought it anywhere. He's been shown wearing that ring since he was at Occidental. It doesn't say 'allah' and it's not a wedding ring, just because he wears it on that finger...and I would like to see anyone try to fashion that ridiculous SUBUD symbol, which is a knock-off from ancient china...into a finger ring. You're like a blind possum, barking up the wrong tree. You're gunna get bitten by a goanna.

Ancient Chinese Wheel of Life. Add a another spoke and a few rings and you've got the SUBUD symbol. To be a muslim is to be plagiarist. Muhammad started it, Pak Subuh just followed.