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Barry Obama attended kindergarten in 1966 at Noelani Elementary School in Honolulu.
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/513898.html?nav=5074
There are class pictures of Obama in Miss Sakai’s kindergarten class.

Obama and his mother first arrived in Jakarta, Indonesia in October 1967. The family initially lived in a newly built neighborhood in the Menteng Dalam administrative village of the Tebet subdistrict in South Jakarta for two and a half years, while Lolo Soetoro worked on a topographic survey for the Indonesian government. From January 1968 to December 1969, Obama’s mother taught English and was an assistant director of the U.S. government-subsidized Indonesia-America Friendship Institute, while Obama attended Santo Fransiskus Asisi (St. Francis of Assisi) Catholic School around the corner from their house for 1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd grade.
In 1970, Soetoro took a new job at higher pay in Union Oil Company’s government relations office. From January 1970 to August 1972, Obama’s mother taught English and was a department head and a director of the Institute of Management Education and Development. Obama attended the Indonesian-language government-run Besuki School, one and half miles east in the exclusive Menteng administrative village, for part of 3rd grade and for 4th grade. By this time, he had picked up on some Indonesian in addition to his native English. He also joined the Cub Scouts.
In the summer of 1970, Obama returned to Hawaii for an extended visit with his maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham. His mother had also arranged an interview for possible admission to the Punahou school in Honolulu, one of the top private schools in the city.
In mid-1971, Obama moved back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents and attend Punahou School starting in 5th grade.


96 posted on 01/23/2014 2:23:26 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus; David
Hello Nero! David must have rattled your cage. Out you pop with your script. Nice try. Your manual is becoming a little more outdated as time passes, but keep at it.

Maybe you could ask Mrs Nordyke to show us the photograph of her twins in kindergarten with zero in 1966. Last time she spoke about her darling girls at school with zero, she didn't seen to have it, although they are clearly shown in the image:

The fraternal twins are the little caucasian girls, and zero's RECORDS are the only records that have been LOST. Now, seeing you can find so much, maybe you can also find them, and perhaps show us the back of the group photograph on which the kindergarten teacher says she wrote the names of the children. She didn't show us that, either.

Here's a bigger image URL:

GROUP PHOTO

You may notice, that Scott Inoue's mother obviously didn't know either that her son went to kinder with zero - that's Scott in the front row on the left.

You're a walking encyclopedia.

101 posted on 01/23/2014 2:57:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Nero Germanicus; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
Barry Obama attended kindergarten in 1966 at Noelani Elementary School in Honolulu. http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/513898.html?nav=5074 There are class pictures of Obama in Miss Sakai’s kindergarten class.

Not so fast.

There is a single picture. In it, it looks as though his image has been inserted between the ends of the two back rows. He is dressed differently; he may appear to be standing where he should be sitting.

Scott whose mother claimed to have complete record files of his classes doesn't have either this picture or any other picture or other indication that Barry was there and neither she nor Scott, both of who are Barry partisans claims to remember his being there.

The two "teachers" are also Barry partisans.

I don't read what we do know as evidence that he was there. I recognize he might have been.

The possibility exists that the Stanley graduation might have been pictured in 66 when she purportedly finished her classwork (although she didn't get her degree until July 67); lots of times, people are included in graduation pictures and get their degree later; but that would have made him five at the time and he looks older than five in the claimed kindergarten picture even though his classmates look younger.

I believe that Stanley's involvement in 65-66-67 was solicited in part for the purpose of getting him out of Indonesia after the regime change.

But there are a couple of record indications that he might have been in Hawaii, certainly Christmas 69; he doesn't start fifth grade until 1971; there is a record that places him through fourth grade in Indonesia.

So my view has difficulty seeing how or why they would have gotten him out of Indonesia once or twice along the way and then sent him back. Because he doesn't come back to Hawaii until the summer of 71 with Lia who spends the summer with him in Honolulu; followed by starting school in the fifth grade in the fall of 71.

Although there is some argument, I think much of your timeline for the Jakarta period is pretty good. Problem is that doesn't allow much time to fit the origin of Lia's relationship with them prior to the time Barry joined them in Jakarta. Further, there is a pictorial record dating before 67 together with statements of children he played with and others that place him in a quasi rural environment and does not, at least in the early part of the period, include Stanley and Lolo.

I think that there is significant uncertainty about his precise location and movements for the period from Spring, 1963 through the end of the summer in 67; and the same level of uncertainty with respect to the movements of Stanley in the period from July 66 to September 67.

Barry wasn't in Jakarta prior to September 67. Lia's TV interview has her saying that she was living with Stanley and Lolo in late 66 or early 67 without Barry; that Stanley told her she was bringing a brother to join them; that she went and got Barry who appeared in the fall.

You are supposed to think Stanley went to Hawaii to get him. But there isn't much if any evidence that he was in Hawaii in that period.

I think as he said to the Harvard Daily, he did go to Indonesia at about age 2 and I think that because of other conditions in his living arrangements.

The uncertainty about the intervening period results from several factors. He parted company completely with Stanley in the Spring of 63--she was at school in Hawaii and Barry was no where to be seen. The situation was inconsistent with the legend that made her his mother. So they needed to cover that up.

A second factor is an attempt to define the circumstances which placed him in Indonesia in the first place--because those circumstances would identify his real history. Why did he go to Indonesia when he was "about two years old"? Without Stanley?

Also, if you looked carefully into the pictorial record of Lolo, you would recognize that his identity is really uncertain. At least three different characters played the part of Lolo at various time.

104 posted on 01/23/2014 3:15:31 PM PST by David
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Both women were filled with pride Tuesday morning as they watched the inauguration and festivities unfold on television.

"I don't cry very easily," Yatsushiro said. "But today I had tears. It was very moving. Obama did a good job, and it was an excellent presentation."

Nakamoto said she woke up as she does most mornings at 4:30 a.m. and stayed glued to the TV for much of the day. "It was all so nice and very impressive."

Both women said they voted for Obama.


OOPs:

"It would be nice just to meet him one day," Yatsushiro said. "I'd love to shake his hand."
106 posted on 01/23/2014 3:27:17 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Nero Germanicus

It wasn’t Cub Scouts. It was more like Youth for Suharto.


109 posted on 01/23/2014 3:59:23 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: Nero Germanicus

Great grandfather Rolla Charles Payne died in October of 68. Madeline was named executor of his estate and could control the partition distribution of the family wealth. We know she was made head of the trust-escrow department of the bank (VP ) at this time. O is still receiving income from the family trust. (Check out schedule E of his taxes)

All this moving back to the states with a guardian came about be a use of the death of the patriarch IMO


133 posted on 01/23/2014 6:18:29 PM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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