Posted on 01/22/2014 12:48:02 PM PST by iontheball
I concur!
Lets get to work!
Appreciate those who contribute to that end
Ignor the distractions
http://blogs.thehindu.com/delhi/?p=5630
Corroborating “testimony” from one of her friends in Indonesia:
“After her divorce she married Lolo Soetoro, who was a royal from Central Java. They had a daughter, Maya. Barack and Maya were raised in a traditional royal environment in Jog-jakarta.”
Good thinking, but you can see how much of an impression that made, a couple of inches down the page and they're at it again. I guess I've got a choice; I either stop posting altogether or work around them, as if they don't exist. The old 'let's get Fred List' is still at work and it's easy to see who is on it.
Funny thing is, I've very rarely ever posted anything I couldn't back up with sources, so it must be the message they don't like. It's not me personally, it's simply because I consider who he is and where he came from that might be significant...
And you can see now why he told his classmates at Punahou in grade five he was an Indonesian Prince: he lived in the Palace grounds where only the royals lived.
KRISTEN CALDWELL FRONTLINE INTERVIEW
So much for the poor little street kids he supposedly lived and played with according to his story.
At age twenty-seven, she was hired to start an English-language, business-communications department in one of the few private non-profit management-training schools in the country. The Suharto government was embarking on a five-year plan, but Indonesia had few managers with the training to put the new economic policies into practice. The school, called the Institute for Management Education and Development, or Lembaga Pendidikan den Pembinaan Manajemen, had been started several years earlier by a Dutch Jesuit priest, Father A. M. Kadarman, with the intention of helping build an Indonesian elite. It was small, and its courses were oversubscribed. In 1970, the Ford Foundation made the first in a series of grants to the institute to expand the faculty and send teachers abroad for training. At about the same time, Father Kadarman hired Ann, who had found a group of young Americans and Britons enrolled in an intensive course in Bahasa Indonesia, the national language, at the University of Indonesia. "I think she found out about us because she had some connection to the University of Indonesia," recalled Irwan Holmes, a member of the original group. "She was looking for teachers." A half-dozen of them accepted her invitation, many of them members of an international spiritual organization, Subud, with a residential compound in a suburb of Jakarta.and further on...
There was Anton Hillman, an affable Indonesian of Chinese descent, who went on to host an English-language show on Indonesian television and work as an interpreter for the first lady, Ibu Tien Suharto. He is said to have met Ann at USAID and to have encouraged her to move on from her first job to the management school, where he worked part-time. Mohammad Mansur Medeiros, a reclusive and scholarly Subud member from Fall River, Massachusetts, and Harvard, whom Ann hired as a teacher, had immersed himself so deeply in Javanese culture, language, and religion that friends nicknamed him Mansur Java. When he died in 2007, friends recalled his preference for the company of ordinary Indonesiansstreet vendors and becak driversover that of other Subud members and expatriates. Samardal Manan, an anxious young teacher who went on to a career as a translator for Exxon Mobil, used to listen, awestruck and in silence,to Anns freewheeling conversations with Medeiros. "You would think they were in love, but they were not,"Manan said. "Ann was a person who got so close, happy, and cheerful when talking with a person who was equally fluentIf the above has been previously posted then disregard.
Stanley Ann Dunham hired from a group of "young Americans and Britons enrolled in an intensive course in Bahasa Indonesia, the national language, at the University of Indonesia" many of whom were members of Subud which had "a residential compound in a suburb of Jakarta" a half-dozen to be teachers.
Two of those members are mentioned by name: Irwan Holmes, and Mohammad Mansur Medeiros.
Regarding Irwan Holmes:
Irwan Holmes heard about Subud in New York, was opened in London in 1962, and has resided full time in Jakarta since 1969.And the following, which I have seen posted either here or elsewhere:http://www.subudworldnews.com/dyn/news/pdf/SESI_eNews.090213.pdf
Gift from Holmes to Michelle ObamaWhich is contained on this page http://subud-sica.org/?hkat=8&ukat=20
Ditto to what you just said
http://www.subudworldnews.com/search/search_en.php?search=You
Irwan Holmes was born in Greenwich Village, New York City, and studied art at Juilliard in New York and the University of California Los Angeles. After he graduated, he spent a year travelling the world, at which point he discovered Indonesia and fell in love with the country. He moved to Jakarta in 1969, where he still resides with his Indonesian wife and family. Pak Irwan, as he is often referred to, had a fascination for gemstones and gemology since his days in Los Angeles, and eventually he joined this love of gemstones to his love of art to begin a life of jewellery designing.
Holmes has been greatly influenced in his designing by Indonesian culturethe HERITAGE COLLECTIONS directly attest to this. These collections consist of The Heritage Indonesia Collection, 18 iconic images of Indonesian culture from Java, Bali, Sulawesi et al; The Heritage Islam Collection, Arabic calligraphy based on sayings from the Holy Al Quran (Koran); Flowers of Indonesia; and Faces of Indonesia, taken from ancient dancers masks; and the newest collection, PAPUA, taken from animist shield motifs of the Asmat tribes.
Pak Irwan is passionate about Indonesia's semi-precious stones Opals, Picture Agates, Chrysocolla, and most important the unique Fossilized Coral that only exists in Indonesia and now uses these stones in all of his jewellery designs. He has exhibited his work all over the world, more recently at the prestigious Inhorgenta show in Munich, as well as in London, at the Vicenzaoro (Italy) Fair, and in Bali. In Jakarta his jewellery can be seen at Koi Kemang Cafe Gallery and in his own gallery/workshop in Ciputat.
To fully appreciate these wonderful gems and artwork, please watch this Irwan Jewelry video.
The picture shows a piece designed by Irwan, which he called Blessings Upon the Earth. It is made of Crysocolla, 18 Kt gold on sterling silver. This piece was presented to Michelle Obama in 2011 via the American Embassy in Jakarta.
And if I hadn’t made this post on January 3, after someone drew my attention to the Subud letter about the death of Fuddy, none of the righteous brigade now hounding me on this thread would have heard about it, let’s set the record straight:
http://subudgreaterseattle.com/mourning-deliana-fuddy/
Mourning Deliana Fuddy
By Paul On December 12, 2013 · 1 Comment ....From Subud USA:
December 12, 2013
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Our dear sister, Deliana Loretta Fuddy, died yesterday in a plane crash one half mile off the coast of Molokai, Hawaii. The plane was en route to Honolulu. Many of us knew Deliana as the Chairperson of Subud USA from 2006 to 2008.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Subuh_Sumohadiwidjojo
Muhammad Subuh SumohadiwidjojoFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo (born 1901 in Java, Indonesia; died 1987). As a young man Muhammad Subuh who received a series of intense experiences that he believed gave him contact with a spiritual energy from a higher power. By the 1930s, he believed that it was his task to transmit this energy - which he called latihan kejiwaan (Indonesian for spiritual exercise) - to others, but that he was not to seek people out but simply to wait for those who asked for it.
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And today, Alice Dewey, the great Indonesianist, as she liked to call herself, who spent something like 15 years on and off in Java as an anthropologist, researching javanese arts and crafts, and peasant marketing...Alice, the mentor of Stanley Ann Dunham who wrote her thesis (?) on the subject of Javanese blacksmithing...now lives permanently in Indonesia. Are we beginning to see connections yet?
http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/people/emeritus/Dewey/index.html
62 posted on Friday, 3 January 2014 11:34:49 AM by Fred Nerks
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=446110
Further, accounts by Obamas former classmate Scott Inoue and Saleah Soetoro-Sobah, former foster child of his mother Ann Dunham, show that Obama did not arrive in Indonesia in 1967, at age 6 as he claims, that he attended Noelani elementary school in HI through third grade, until 1969, on the other hand there is a record of Barry Soetoro attending Assissi school in in Jakarta during the same two years 1967-1969. So we have evidence of two separate individuals: Barry Obama residing in HI in 1967-1969 and Barry Soetoro residing in Indonesia during the same time. It appears that the person who came back to the U.S., is Barry Soetoro, not Barry Obama.
And rest easy, your names are now engraved on my never to be addressed list, no exceptions. You know who you are, so you will I am sure, extend me the same courtesy.
If o lived within the palace walls and the heads of Subud lived with the palace walls how far apart was SADO from the leader and his daughter residence or meeting hall ? Did she teach either of them English ?
Nina Nayar
... After her divorce she married Lolo Soetoro, who was a royal from Central Java. They had a daughter, Maya. Barack and Maya were raised in a traditional royal environment in Jog-jakarta.
And that would be from before Sukarno was deposed in 1967, and Stanley Ann started hanging out with CIA operatives who were apparently involved in the ouster of the President, according to a freeper who knew her in Jakarta...in favour of Suharto who institued islam and some 600,000 people, (infidels) mostly chinese, were slaughtered.
That was before Maya was born.
“This piece was presented to Michelle Obama in 2011 via the American Embassy in Jakarta.”
Which means it belongs to the people of the United States. Do you think she’ll leave it behind, as she’s supposed to do, when she exits the White House?
I look forward to seeing that beautiful jeweled piece in the Smithsonian.
“And that would be from before Sukarno was deposed in 1967, and Stanley Ann started hanging out with CIA operatives who were apparently involved in the ouster of the President, according to a freeper who knew her in Jakarta...in favour of Suharto who institued islam and some 600,000 people, (infidels) mostly chinese, were slaughtered.”
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Now that’s a chilling paragraph if I’ve ever read one.
In some areas, civilian militia knew where to find known Communists and their sympathisers, while in others the Army demanded lists of Communists from village heads.[22] PKI membership was not disguised and most suspects were easily identified within communities.[23] The American Embassy in Jakarta supplied the Indonesian military with lists of up to 5,000 suspected Communists.[24] Although some PKI branches organised resistance and reprisal killings, most went passively to their deaths.[25] Not all victims were PKI members. Often the label “PKI” was used to include anyone to the left of the Indonesian National Party (PNI).[26] In other cases victims were suspected or simply alleged Communists.[10]
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The Muslim group Muhammadiyah proclaimed in early November 1965 that the extermination of “Gestapu/PKI” constituted Holy War (”Gestapu” being the military’s name for the “30 September Movement”), a position that was supported by other Islamic groups in Java and Sumatra. For many youths, killing Communists became a religious duty.[32
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Deaths and imprisonment[edit]Although the general outline of events is known, much is unknown about the killings,[17] and an accurate and verified count of the dead is unlikely to ever be known.[44] There were few Western journalists or academics in Indonesia at the time, the military was one of the few sources of information, travel was difficult and dangerous, and the regime that approved and oversaw the killings remained in power for three decades.[45] The Indonesian media at the time had been undermined by restrictions under “Guided Democracy” and by the “New Order’s” takeover in October 1966.[46] With the killings occurring at the height of Western fears over the Cold War, there was little investigation internationally, which would have risked complicating the West’s preference for Suharto and the “New Order” over the PKI and the “Old Order”.[47]
In the first 20 years following the killings, thirty-nine serious estimates of the death toll were attempted.[38] Before the killings had finished, the army estimated 78,500 had died[48] while another early estimate by the traumatised Communists put the figure at 2 million.[38] The army later estimated the number killed at a possibly exaggerated 1 million.[33] In 1966, Benedict Anderson estimated the deaths at 200,000 and by 1985 had offered a range of 500,000 to 1 million.[38] Most scholars agree that at least half a million were killed,[49] more than in any other event in Indonesian history.[30] An armed forces security command estimate from December 1976 put the number at between 450,000 and 500,000.[29] A 2012 documentary by Joshua Oppenheimer, The Act of Killing, places the number of deaths between 1 and 3 million people.[50][51]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366
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