Posted on 01/22/2014 12:48:02 PM PST by iontheball
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If I’m obessional then you are as thick as a brick, you want to know how the Dunhams and the cult are connected? Let me tell you. I’ve posted it at least five times. The Feldman couple were engaged in outreach for the Unitarian Church, the church the Dunhams reportedly belonged to, and the Feldman’s brought the cult to Hawaii, via the East-West Centre and the university where he was a professor...
http://www.subud-sica.org/index.php?hkat=7&ukat=24
You got pictures of them together or a list of membership of the church?
PS. That Suharto would attend a Subud gathering isn’t a surprise, the founder was a muslim, and Suharto came to power and outed the communist Sukarno with muslim backing, over 600,000 people died, mostly chinese, but many simply considered to be ‘infidels’ - when Suharto instituted islamic rule.
So Fuddy was nothing but a good little sufi-tool. That’s all Subud is, a mixture of Indonesian superstition and what-ever the arabs brought with them when they over-ran the archipeligo centuries ago.
I’ve shown you what I’ve got. I suggest you read it. It’s the story of the man who brought the Subuh cult from Chicago to Hawaii.
In his own words.
I have read it Fred Read it when it was first posted.
At best it’s circumstantial evidence what we need in our courts is concrete evidence. A picture of Durhams one or both with him. Their name in an article with his Something to directly and leave no doubt that they or their daughter was directly and completely involved with Subud
It’s a legal standard here. No suppositions “Just the facts , Mam!” Is not just a meme from a tv series
I never doubted that Sukarno entourage included a person named "Sutoro". I have questioned the origin of the picture because the Sutoro-Palace connection rests upon this picture alone. You can't build a case without validating evidence.
Then I can be assured that you will go out and find it, can I? I have pointed you in the right direction, and I’m soooooooooooooooooo far away, where-as you are johnny on the spot. And wasn’t your daddy a judge?
>> I agree, we know much can be planted, as you wrote. My question is however, what possible use would it be to plant the information that a person with the name of Lt Sutoro was part of the entourage of Sukarno when he was on a world tour in 1959, during which time we know he visited Hollywood and had lunch with Joan Crawford, for one thing?
This misses the point. It’s not that any of these events did not occur, they are all plausible and verifiable, it’s that these events can be used to support a falsehood.
>> Sukarno would have been accompanied by any number of people, that one was from the military and might have been part of his security seems perfectly natural.
Precisely! This is what I meant by a lie surrounded by facts. All plausible and verifiable.
>> What is of interest is that there are reports that Lolo was related to the royal family (Sultan of Jakarta) and that this particular Lt Sutoro gave his address as THE PALACE is an interesting factoid.
This factiod is premised upon an internet picture of unknown provenance - this picture is what needed verification.
I sure hope you hold yourself to the same standard. From now on, when you make a comment, I expect to see it accompanied by photographs and documents and sources from webpages or the media. Got that?
If you aren’t careful you’re going to trip yourself up on trivia going around in circles.
Wrong on all counts. Get off your horse and listen to what I’m saying
You’re a good researcher. We need good researchers on our team.
But we need verified evidence that will hold up in our court of law
Not circumstantial but hard copy proof.
The question is are you with us or agin us? You’ve given us places to look and believe me more than I am looking. But we need you to look with us and not distract with other facets of his life
The mission ... Is to find a concrete connection from Subud to the ancestors and/or him.
Do you understand the difference between circumstantial evidence and evidence that can be used in our court cases?
Not likely.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3107346/posts?page=62#62
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3107346/posts?page=90#90
play catch-up -
You are exactly correct Ray
She doesn’t understand our legal system and becomes defensive and argumentitive when we try to explain it I’m sure the British syst would muddle us too
Obviously she’s not truly with us Shame Its a waste of good talent
You’ve done a lot of background stuff on the oil business connections, and thrown out a lot of accusations about using the economy of the US to make himself rich, plus a whole lot of blah blah blah about border control and more, isn’t it time you put that together into something that resembles evidence you can use in court?
And stay away from my interests, if they don’t appeal to you. There’s more to this than your provincial little world, this problem with the man you elected, concerns the entire free world. What’s left of it.
Your attempts to patronize me and ‘talk’ to me like a flunky, didn’t work.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/obamas_new_nationalism_more_sukarno_than_teddy_roosevelt.html
That Lolo was a well-connected young Indonesian student, firmly entrenched in the fabric of the Indonesian ruling class, is supported by several facts.
Lolo’s mother was closely related to Sultan Hamenkubuwono IX, the hereditary ruler of Yogyakarta. From 1949 until his death in1988, the sultan was a towering figure of civilian influence within first the Sukarno, and later the Suharto government. He served as the national minister of Foreign Affairs under Sukarno, and from 1973 to 1978, he was also Suharto’s vice president.
Mayo Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s half sister, has publicly mentioned her grandmother’s “royal blood,” and University of Hawaii anthropology professor Alice Dewey, Stanley Ann Dunham’s close friend and thesis adviser, told me in a phone interview last year1 that:
Lolo’s mother, Ann, and Maya lived inside the royal area of Yogyokarta when I visited them in 1978-1979. She was related to the Sultan, I think probably at the second-cousin level or maybe even the first-cousin level. They — Ann, her daughter Maya, and her mother-in-law— lived in a house very near the center of that walled area, which suggested to me that she had a fairly close family relationship to the sultan. The betang is traditionally the area reserved for the extended royal family of the Sultan Hamengkubuwono. No one who was a foreigner without royal blood could live there.
Soetoro’s familial relations to the Sultan would explain why he received a scholarship to the University of Hawaii East-West Center program. Typically, foreign governments recommend students who have some sort of political connection.
Thanks a lot. That link brought up nothing but a blank screen, my mouse froze and internet explorer dropped out.
So very helpful. I’m wondering what is your motive?
Now, have you got all that? So you can tell whoever is prodding you with their nasty-stick in the background and telling you that I’m not to be trusted (because I’m an Australian) that it didn’t work, it didn’t work the first time and it’s not working this time.
Bye for now. Have a nice evening.
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