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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

There were abolitionists who opposed the war because they felt that war would not solve the issue of slavery.


8 posted on 07/30/2013 7:27:01 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45
There were abolitionists who opposed the war because they felt that war would not solve the issue of slavery.

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There were also abolitionists who opposed the Union's actions in the Civil War because they believed that to force the Confederates to stay part of the Union against their will was, in itself, a form of slavery.

Lysander Spooner was a prominent 19th Century abolitionist and author. Spooner articulated the above theory in No Treason, No. 1 . Here's the opening to that fine treatise...

SPOONER: The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the same that it would have been, if free States, instead of slave States, had seceded.

On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to stay in the Union.

The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals.

No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle --- but only in degree --- between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man's ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and [*iv] asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure.

Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that --- in theory, at least, if not in practice --- our government was a free one; that it rested on consent. But nothing of that kind can be said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the North, is irrevocably established. If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.

23 posted on 07/30/2013 8:09:36 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: reg45
There were abolitionists who opposed the war because they felt that war would not solve the issue of slavery.

Doubtful, although some may have opposed it because they were opposed to war under any circumstance.

In any case, they were wrong, weren't they? If not for the war, slavery would have dragged on for probably at least some decades.

The War ended it 99% in less than 4 years, and 100% in less than 5.

24 posted on 07/30/2013 8:11:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: reg45
"There were abolitionists who opposed the war because they felt that war would not solve the issue of slavery."

Yeppers, and many of them were lynched, shot, etc. before the war.

38 posted on 07/30/2013 8:39:44 AM PDT by celmak
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To: reg45
There were abolitionists who opposed the war because they felt that war would not solve the issue of slavery.

And looking at things the way they are today, one would have to admit they were right, at least in the long-term.

62 posted on 07/30/2013 9:14:25 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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