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To: Tau Food
There are 12 homes and about 19 adults living on my cul-de-sac. If 15 of us want our cul-de-sac to secede from the United States so we won't have to pay U.S. taxes anymore, we can vote to create our own nation, I guess?

A childish argument to say the least. States are defined in the USC. Entire states can move to secede. This infantile argument that you espouse shows how little you really understand of US history . It also show contempt for the lives lost in a serious struggle and the honor and integrity of Southerners everywhere.

You are neophyte compared to other Lincoln apologists. You should keep quiet and read these posts and try to learn something, you're not ready for prime time. Please stop; this is embarrassing - to you. You are unworthy of my time.

772 posted on 08/13/2013 8:03:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Exactly when was that South Carolina referendum on secession? Are you still sure that "that every state that seceded put secession to the people as referendum" like you claimed in post 765?

What should we tell the mailman? ;-)

773 posted on 08/13/2013 8:18:11 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: central_va
States are defined in the USC.

Really? Which clause is that?

Your refusal to seriously answer the question isn't unexpected. Lost Causers seem to have this persistent notion that the state is the fundamental particle of sovereignty, and nothing below is valid and nothing above is more than an matter of convenience, to be renounced at the slightest whim.

776 posted on 08/13/2013 10:45:47 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: central_va
Entire states can move to secede.

Not unilaterally. It was tried before and found to be illegal.

777 posted on 08/13/2013 11:04:22 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va
We, the people of the United States have a simple, clear, settled rule:

As individuals, we have the right to renounce our American citizenship, but we don't individually or collectively have the right to renounce the American citizenship of our neighbors.

That's where the secessionists goofed up, albeit they did what they did for what they believed to be a real special cause. ;-)

And, they were damned lucky that President Jackson wasn't still the president.

806 posted on 08/13/2013 6:46:27 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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