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To: DiogenesLamp
Except King George didn't issue a Declaration of Independence asserting that you have a natural right to expatriate yourself.

Again, issued 15 months after the Colonists had started their revolution. They didn't pretend their actions were legal so how can you compare them with the South in 1860?

Indeed, King George's position was that expatriation is completely illegal and unnatural.

I believe that King George's position was armed rebellion against the Crown was completely illegal. And I don't think the Founding Fathers disagreed with him.

It is the good ole US of A that proclaimed to the world that it is a natural right for people to separate themselves from unwanted governance.

And in order to do that they fought and won a war of independence. The Confederacy accomplished 50% of that.

640 posted on 08/08/2013 1:32:44 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
Again, issued 15 months after the Colonists had started their revolution. They didn't pretend their actions were legal so how can you compare them with the South in 1860?

Because the USA operated under a different paradigm than did England. The USA asserted the right of expatriation, then failed to respect it after having used up it's benefit.

The South was foolish to believe that they had a right to leave. The actual rule was "do as I say, not as I do."

I believe that King George's position was armed rebellion against the Crown was completely illegal. And I don't think the Founding Fathers disagreed with him.

But George III wasn't in control after the war, they were, and they asserted that it was natural law that gave them the right. They fought for this natural law right to form their own nation, and subsequently some of their descendants fought against it.

As the founders and their descendants took opposite positions, one of them is necessarily wrong.

And in order to do that they fought and won a war of independence. The Confederacy accomplished 50% of that.

Once again, had Lincoln been in charge of England, We would be the United Kingdom of England. England could have beaten us if they were determined to do so. In 1812, they very nearly did, and with a tiny fraction of their forces.

676 posted on 08/08/2013 3:44:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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