Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin
Sen. Ted Cruz rejected questions Sunday over his eligibility to be president, saying that although he was born in Canada “the facts are clear” that he’s a U.S. citizen. “My mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. She’s a U.S. citizen, so I’m a U.S. citizen by birth,” Cruz told ABC. “I’m not going to engage in a legal debate.” The Texas senator was born in Calgary, where his mother and father were working in the oil business. His father, Rafael Cruz, left Cuba in the 1950s to study at the University of Texas and subsequently became a naturalized citizen.
President Obama has been hounded by critics who contend he was born outside the U.S. and, therefore, ineligible to win the White House. Obama was born in Hawaii. But some Democratic critics have taken the same charge against Obama by so-called “birthers” and turned it against Cruz. The Supreme Court has not definitively ruled on presidential eligibility requirements. But a congressional study concludes that the constitutional requirement that a president be “a natural born citizen” includes those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.
“I can tell you where I was born and who my parents were. And then as a legal matter, others can worry about that. I’m not going to engage,” Cruz said in the interview with “This Week” on ABC.
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It was for both. If they followed the logic of the NBC crowd, the United States would have had to wait until Martin Van Buren to even have a President.
"(My other columnist sidekicks and I are constitutionally clean but do not expect lightning to strike.)
It's ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that the NBC is a legitimate legal standard. It's acknowledgement that it is discriminates (rightly so) and how they don't like it. Being constitutionally clean - a natural born citizen - is some slur to them but a legitimately legal one.
See the constitution is flawed according to them. At least back then they had the balls to be up front about it. Now they lie, cheat, steal and plain old ignore laws they don't like.
Why don't all the after-birther's just have the balls to say the Constitution is flawed? They won't because it show's their TRUE position. They are nothing but leftists in hiding. They want to act like their was no understanding before 2008. How else are they going to get their free s###.
He even wanted to be part of a LEGAL way of changing it through a Constitutional Convention. Another indication that of the understanding legitimacy of the NBC's existence as a discriminatory requirement that separated American citizenship.
Fancy that, a LEGAL approach. How archaic. Of course, ALL legal approaches have failed that's why they are now stealing it.
Not one after-birther has a right to complain about ANYTHING. They are enabler's of the lawless left. They are as clueless as those morons who can't figure out why they now have no more health insurance and are working two part time jobs.
It ALL TIES together. You weaken the foundation and s### starts to fall.
Exactly, yet if it were not for the father, they child would not even have blood flowing though its veins, because that child would not exist, now would it?
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I would think that Common Law and Natural law would certainly recognize the close bond between mother and child.
First,acceptance of one is not an exclusion of the other. I have yet to say the mothers' citizenship is immaterial.
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Why does everyone seem to think the us government can act like the blue genie in the movie Aladdin? Like it can just point ant someone and go;
"Poof! You're a citizen".
"Poof! You're now a citizen".
"Poof! Now YOU'RE a citizen".
.....what happens if they don't want themselves OR their child TO BE a citizen?
Do you think they should be stuck with it anyway?
We were good friends with France during our own Revolution, and during theirs which followed shortly after.
Gilbert du Motier, the French Marquis de Lafayette, served as a major-general in the Revolutionary War under General Washington. He was a major factor in getting assistance for us from the French, bring us thousands of French soldiers and 5 frigates.
He named his son "Georges Washington Lafayette."
After the Revolution, the Marquis was declared a "natural born citizen" of the State of Maryland by that State's legislature.
He was a personal friend of our first 6 Presidents.
Likewise, a number of Americans, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were made citizens of France by an act of their legislature.
This happened during Washington's term as President, and before the election of Jefferson and Madison.
So the "Father of Our Country," the "Father of the Declaration of Independence," and the "Father of the Constitution" - Presidents 1, 3 and 4 - all served as US President while holding dual citizenship with France.
JW is a troll. He is an agent for 0buttatollah. If you want Constitutional arguments, read GregNH, Hostage; rxsid and some others I’m missing.
Relying on JW for accurate info about NBC is relying on the 0bama administration for accurate info about NBC.
Why don’t all the after-birther’s just have the balls to say the Constitution is flawed? They won’t because it show’s their TRUE position. They are nothing but leftists in hiding.
That’s it. And here’s a quote from my profile page that is relevant:
“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
Nothing screams “internet butthurt” like insulting someone without pinging them.
Boy, isn’t that the truth.
Reading his stuff and HIS interpretations is like taking a walk through a mental institution where all the patients are dressed as doctors. They talk a good game at first but then you see how absolutely bat-s### insane they are. LOL
Is he still trying to sell his book? JW is JW.
That was a good find on your part.
I don’t include trolls in my replies.
Yeah, the fake conservative’s book, and you can easily discern he wrote all the positive reviews, exactly same writing style. Of course there aren’t any negative reviews.
Do you still have the link to his book for sale?
Like I said, “internet butthurt.”
No, they weren't. And this is agreed on by every competent historian throughout US history.
The founders who became President were considered to be natural born citizens of the United States. They were natural born subjects of the colonies, and when those colonies became independent States, they did not stop being natural born subjects of those States (and hence of the United States as a whole).
And when we changed the word "subject" to "citizen," all "natural born subjects" quite naturally became "natural born citizens."
This understanding is also in complete harmony with US citizenship as explained by James Madison, the Father of the Constitution.
The grandfather clause was NOT passed to make George Washington eligible. No serious historian has EVER claimed that.
Instead, historians agree that the clause was passed to make eligible Alexander Hamilton, James Wilson, and other foreign-born patriots who had similarly risked their lives and fortunes.
Here are a few quotes that establish the point. There are MANY more.
“It was doubtless introduced (for it has now become by lapse of time merely nominal, and will soon become wholly extinct) out of respect to those distinguished revolutionary patriots, who were born in a foreign land, and yet had entitled themselves to high honours in their adopted country….”
- United States Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution (1833)
“The exception as to those who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, was justly due to those men who had united themselves with the fate of the new nation, and rendered eminent services in achieving its independence ; and is, necessarily, of limited continuance.”
- James Bayard, A brief exposition of the Constitution of the United States, pg. 96 (1833)
“Why was this exception then made? From gratitude to those distinguished foreigners who had taken part with us during the Revolution.”
- John Seely Hart, A Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States, pg. 71 (1860)
I think my interpretation is the fairest. Naturally Born American. The second you are born, you are an American. I add the disqualifier that keeps anchor babies from that status.
But that’s not faaaaair!
BLINKING RED SIREN, PEOPLE!
LJ, I don’t think JW is troll, but I will do some searches for posts from the FREEPERS you mentioned.
I have read a number of postings on the subject in the past, but the issue is unclear to me due to the many references to US code and case law.
I know that we have FREEPers who are lawyers. Some might even have a background in constitutional law. If you have link said to posts or people, I would be eager to read them.
I like Ted Cruz very much but I will not vote for someone as president if the NBC status is not resolved to my satisfaction.
He’s trying to sell a book he wrote. Cold Case Posse Supporter knows about him. There’s no point in reading his screeds. His purpose is to create an aura of (fake) legitimacy for 0bastard.
Bwaahh. Well of course not. Like I said, it's like the mental institution.
Morning Doctor.
Good to see you Doctor.
I'm due in surgery, Doctor.
Doctor, we'll see you at the Doctor's meeting later.
Doctor. Doctor. Doctor. LOL
This really isn't just your interpretation. It's pretty much the understanding of almost everybody.
Thus if Obama was born outside this country he would not be a NBC or even a citizen at birth and would have needed naturalization because the only parent with citizenship was not old enough to confer it.
Under the laws of the time, he would not have been a US citizen at birth. Therefore, he would not have been a "natural born citizen" for the purposes of Presidential eligibility. You are correct.
Thus Ted Cruz would be a NBC because he was automatically American at birth.
Again, correct.
Thus a Schwarzenegger would not be, as he was born outside the country to two non citizens.
And again, correct. Schwarzenegger can serve as governor, Senator, Representative, cabinet member, Presidential adviser. He is not eligible to be President of the United States, and absent a Constitutional amendment, never will be.
I think my interpretation is the fairest. Naturally Born American. The second you are born, you are an American. I add the disqualifier that keeps anchor babies from that status.
I also agree that there is room to question and maybe exclude both anchor babies and the children of illegal aliens. Although practically speaking, that's most likely never going to happen.
Yes, the blind leading the blind will certainly answer the question.
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