Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

To: bluecat6

“So this could apply”

[But Lolo did not have a “legal family relationship” at the time Obama was born.]

“Could Obama have been legally adopted before the age of 5 by Lolo Soetoro? Yes.”

[Article 2 does not say that the child has to give up their other citizenship. All of the other Articles that mention giving up your other citzenship are quite explicit.]

“All known data points indicate that Obama lived as an Indonesian citizen in Indonesia. “

I would not dispute that except to say he was a small child.

“Conversely, we have nothing to support US citizenship for Obama during the period.”

[Except he was a US citizen by birth in Hawaii. see Mix memo]

“The following entry in a letter concerning a request by Lolo Soetoro to stay in US.”

[The response to that doubt was in a memo by W.L. Mix - “The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant’s step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child’s mother on March 5, 1965.”]

“- 1968 Obama comes off his mothers US passport. In fact that is the only change during this amendment.”

[It could also have been to get him his own US passport, especially if they were planning on sending him back to the US alone. Didn’t he make a several trips to the US [Christmas, 1969; to interview at Punahou school before bneing accepted] before he returned for good. Was SAD with him on those trips?]

“- Indonesia does no allow dual citizenship. Thus, the US would not allow a known citizen of Indonesia to secure US citizenship.”

[That may or may not be true -

“Concluding regulations.

Article I.

A citizen of the Republic of Indonesia who is within the territory of the Republic of Indonesia is considered to possess no other nationality.”

Notice the language, a person could be considered to have another citizenship when outside “the territory of the Republic of Indonesia”. Much like someone who has dual US/British citizenship. When they are in England, they are governed by the rules for British subjects.

That Ex-pat blog you referred me to earlier implied that when SAD married Lolo, she could have simply waited a year and then become an Indonesian citizen and kept her US citizenship. That’s dual citizenship.]

BTW, I ‘ve always thought that an adoption by Lolo was not out of the question and had the marriage survived would have been a certainty. But at this point I’ve not seen any documentation for it.


378 posted on 03/01/2013 10:01:42 AM PST by 4Zoltan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 371 | View Replies ]


To: 4Zoltan

- 1968 Obama comes off his mothers US passport. In fact that is the only change during this amendment.”

[It could also have been to get him his own US passport, especially if they were planning on sending him back to the US alone. Didn’t he make a several trips to the US [Christmas, 1969; to interview at Punahou school before bneing accepted] before he returned for good. Was SAD with him on those trips?]

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Disclosure of his passports and INS records after this event in 1968 would be interesting and may completely clear this up. Or it may confirm the suspicions. In either case the records remain out of public view.

Besides Brennan took care of those in 2008.


389 posted on 03/01/2013 1:34:50 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 378 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson