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To: SvenMagnussen

You said Mr. Magnussen: “Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro were stripped of their parental rights by a Hawaii Family Court in 1971 when Obama returned to Hawaii”

Could you please provide authenticated proof of Hawaii Family Court documents to back this claim up?

CCPS


151 posted on 02/26/2013 12:10:22 PM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

There was previous link provided to me by “chicken head” with a reference msg 274. Msg 274 was an image of the Soetoro tax return, 1973, where Maya was named as the sole dependent on the Soetoro’s return.

Obama was 12 years old in 1973. If Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro had custody of Obama, then they would have claimed him as a dependent on their tax return. In 1973, Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. It was Catholic Social Services of Connecticut that applied for Obama’s SSN in 1977 as his legal custodian.

I don’t post copies of any evidence I have proving Obama is ineligible because OBOTS begin to scrub the evidence from government offices and manipulate the narrative as soon as its posted. The best approach is to publicly state why Obama is ineligible and then overwhelm the opposition after all Motions to Dismiss are overcome.


159 posted on 02/26/2013 12:55:49 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter; SvenMagnussen

Lets try to restructure the question at hand.

Instead of asking for proof of a specific action lets look at what did or did not make sense of the situation at hand.

1. How does a child of around 10 years old travel ALONE (as claimed in his book) from Jakarta, Indonesia to Honolulu, Hawaii, through immigration, through customs, with at least one stop and likely plane transfer in Japan in 1970 or 1971?

Answer: He does not. Some adult HAD to have accompanied him. I have a suspicion that has no material backing who that adult is. But it would be safe to say a child does not make that trip completely alone.

2. Who is the legal guardian after January of 1972 when the ‘Grand Family Reunion of December 1971 and early January 1972 is over? Does the supposed biological mother retain guardianship even though she is an Indonesian citizen and returning ‘indefinitely’ to Indonesia without her child? Is the supposed (but regardless, legal) biological father who is merely visiting the island of Hawaii during the time and who is not and never was a US citizen? Is it the grandmother and grandfather who appear to be taking over responsibility for the child going forward since both original parents are foreign citizens and neither is staying in the US and neither has any plans to ever return? Or is it an agency that has responsibility for refugee foreign children?

Answer: it has to be one of the 2 last options. There is no reason the permanent guardian would be a foreign citizen or expat American who, if she is presenting herself as an American citizen while in Hawaii (which she could have) would be violating the law in the country she calls home - Indonesia. Neither ‘parent’ has any specific plans to EVER return to the US. So as of the early 1970s Obama had to be under the guardianship of someone other than either supposed biological and legal parents.

Sven offers the only known explanation to the questions above. If his story is to be rejected then another story is needed to fill the void that would be left if it is not true. Someone or some agency was Obama’s legal guardian after January of 1971 that was not his supposed parents - that has to be accepted as fact. It would seem that of the possibilities Svens story would have at least a 50/50 chance of being correct given the only other viable option would likely be the grandparents. How would that be verified? Likely via medical and school records from 1971 to 1980. Where are those?


165 posted on 02/26/2013 1:04:08 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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