You are not exactly the most direct, straight speaking kind of guy.
The best I could figure out, your point is, in regards to voting for Mitt Romney, 
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
I read enough to get the jist of it. And I know enough to detect that you ain’t bein’ all that honest and forthright and real when it comes to discussing this stuff. If the Torah were so incredibly superior, such a thing would have stood out when I read it.
Nice story about one of the hundreds of false prophets at that time. Not G-d’s word. Reaffirms my JEWISH faith every single time I read it.
***So... the new testament contains hundreds of false prophets. In the last few days we’ve been discussing what christians do when they encounter false teachers — like Jesus, we confront them. Jesus called them “sons of the devil”. False prophets are commanded to be stoned in Deuteronomy. So, why is it that the jews remain so silent about all this false prophecy and false teaching in christendom? Why did it take 300 freeping posts to get that out of you? Why do you look down upon us for confronting false teachers when obviously what you’re doing, right here, is confronting what you perceive to be false teaching? Why do you scold christians for their supposed false teachings but uphold mormons as models of social conservatism?
None of your positions nor actions make any sense unless they are viewed in the light of a jew who thinks christians should back off when confronting false teaching, even though our own Teacher tells us to do it. You are trying to impose your own viewpoint here on this forum. You managed to get this thread moved to the smokey back room. But that doesn’t mean you were right. Show us you’re right. Show us you’re honorable. Show us you care enough about God to answer questions honestly, and be real about who you are.
Deut 13:2-5 If there appears among you a prophet or a dream-diviner and he gives you a sign or a portent,
saying, “Let us follow and worship another g-d” — whom you have not experienced — even if the sign or portent that he named to you comes true,
do not heed the words of that prophet or that dream-diviner. For the LORD your G-d is testing you to see whether you really love the LORD your G-d with all your heart and soul.
I must say I love the Jewish people, because I follow God’s commandment and because the Jews are God’s original chosen people which gives them special status in God’s eyes—what higher status can there be? And because it seems to be a natural inclination of mine to love them.
As for the above quote from Deuteronomy—and this again is strictly intellectual: Jesus is not the same as this prophet or dream diviner because in John 14 he says
“He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.”
From your reference. Something to notice is the scriptural references. Why are some absent? Interestingly enough, where there are scriptural references, they line up with Jesus quite nicely.
The Mashiach
The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as “mashiach ben David” (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel.
***Like here, for instance.
He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
***And here, again, for instance.
Have Jews/seculars, ever voted republican in America, in all of our history?
You mean when I said—as I was establishing my ultimate intentions regarding the marxist takeover of our nation—that Romney’s leftist leanings are not radical enough to be equated with those of totalitarian leftist currently holding office in Washington?
From your reference
What Will the Mashiach Do?
Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)
The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5).
***sounds a lot like Jesus to me.
He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1).
***I’m looking forward to this.
He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18).
***Jeremiah 33:18 says nothing about rebuilding the Temple. Jesus was the one who prophesied that the temple would be torn down.
He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).
But do Jews, from an intellectual standpoint, consider Jesus to be a false prophet, a liar?
“Non-Jews must follow the seven Noahide laws for a share of the World to come; Jews have 613 commandments, and a whole bunch we can’t fulfill without the rebuilding of the Temple.”
I follow the love I have which I believe God gave to me in my heart.
You are not exactly the most direct, straight speaking kind of guy.
The best I could figure out, your point is, in regards to voting for Mitt Romney,
From your reference
What About Jesus?
Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach.
***It’s simply possible that Jews are incorrect.
Assuming that he existed,
***This is what they teach jews today? To deny simple history? Do they teach you to deny that Julius Caesar was a roman general, or that Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean in 1492?
and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable),
***Then let’s have that debate. Such hyper-criticism borders on psychobabble, but we can all see that it is because it’s agenda-driven.
The Historicity of Jesus Christ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2056400/posts
History | August 3, 2008 | Kevmo
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 1:19:19 PM by Kevmo
he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above.
***He fulfilled most of them, and the rest will be when He returns.
Jesus did not do any
***Straw argument. Jesus did many, but not all of those things.
of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do.
***And yet, a cursory reading of the above list that they mention shows that Jesus fulfilled most of those things.
On the contrary, another Jew born about a century later
***This is good, real good. Because it generates a basis for what jews will consider to be historical validity. What are the sources for this material? How many are there? Do the enemies acknowledge this claim? Is there archaeological evidence one way or the other?
came far closer
***editorializing. Can you not see the bias yet?
to fulfilling the messianic ideal than Jesus did. His name was Shimeon ben Kosiba, known as Bar Kokhba (son of a star), and he was a charismatic, brilliant, but brutal
***Jesus was not brutal. In this respect, He was far superior to this personage that you accept as historical.
warlord. Rabbi Akiba, one of the greatest
***editorializing. Can you not see the bias?
scholars in Jewish history, believed
***What do historians say? Who cares what some rabbi believed?
that Bar Kokhba was the mashiach. Bar Kokhba fought a war against the Roman Empire, catching the Tenth Legion by surprise and retaking Jerusalem. He resumed sacrifices at the site of the Temple and made plans to rebuild the Temple.
***Didn’t quite rebuild the temple, did he? Not that such a thing was a requirement for the messiah. The PRESENCE of the temple was required, and this guy don’t qualify because the temple was not PRESENT.
He established a provisional government and began to issue coins in its name. This is what the Jewish people were looking for in a mashiach;
***There’s a huge difference between what the Jewish people were looking for, and what God was going to send in the form of the Messiah. This is a form of arrogance, that the Messiah would be exactly what the jews were looking for.
Jesus clearly does not fit into this mold.
***No, that is right. He did not fit the mold of “what the jewish people were looking for”. The jewish people don’t get to tell God what He can do, He does what He says He will do.
Ultimately, however, the Roman Empire crushed his revolt and killed Bar Kokhba. After his death, all acknowledged that he was not the mashiach.
***So even the jews acknowledge this poser was not the Messiah, because the BIBLE is immutable whereas jewish views may be a bit wishy-washy or tainted.
Throughout Jewish history, there have been many people who have claimed to be the mashiach, or whose followers have claimed that they were the mashiach: Shimeon Bar Kokhba, Shabbatai Tzvi, Jesus, and many others too numerous to name.
***True enough. And none of the others were put to death for claiming to be messiah. Jesus Himself wasn’t put to death for claiming messiah-ship, He was put to death for claiming equality with God.
Leo Rosten reports some very entertaining accounts under the entry for meshiekh in The New Joys of Yiddish. But all of these people died without fulfilling the mission of the mashiach; therefore, none of them were the mashiach.
***I can agree that none of the others were Mashiach. Jesus was.
Book Mark - off to bed!
Jews and Atheists never have voted Republican, have they?
Why do Jews and Muslims, and Atheists vote like that.
As a pro-life conservative, you must share my pain.
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