Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney

Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Not A Snowbird]

And the example of "Christians" such as yourself tends to reinforce my view.

I believe it was Ghandi who said that the biggest barrier to Christianity establishing itself in India was... Christians. Unfortunately, some of us behave in ways that should make us ashamed before our Lord. Especially on an anonymous internet forum.

[exit82]

And when you then run into heresy; what is your plan?

Burn them at the stake, what's yours? ;)

I don't expect to run into religious heresy on a political discussion thread; on a religious thread, well, that's another story.

[Elsie]

SAm, that’s all well and good; in theory; but have you been reading the papers laterly?

[Kevmo]

And when you then run into heresy; what is your plan?
***I think most people who post like him have the continued plan of finding common ground and building consensus. Heresy means nothing to them because they do not hold to the central tenets of the faith. That’s why they can’t see it’s such a ‘big deal’. Sometimes they don’t know enough of the central tenets to realize they’ve just come across heresy.

[Elsie]

I'm confused...are you professing to know those whom God will condemn or those whom Brigham Young has condemned?

I, myself, do not KNOW the details, but I CAN report what the BIBLE says, and I DID report what BY said.

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Don't be confused. That could be mistaken, in some circles, for confoundedness.

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The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

 

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[exit82]

Are you this persistent and aggressive, and demanding, on threads about Obama and religion, or Tom Cruise, or Harry Reid?

Well, that's a new one. Me? Demanding, persistent and aggressive? I am known to be persistent, but aggressive and demanding, not so much.

I made a simple observation. You did not like it. I get that.

[kevao]

It doesn’t seem to matter even when it is clearly stated in our posts that we are from a deep blue state. I’ve been told that **I** will be responsible if Romney doesn’t win. It’s completely ridiculous. Jim’s vote, or lack thereof, is also meaningless, but he’s being excoriated.

Well, what do you want me to do about it? I didn't say those things to you! And I guarantee that no "ABOer" that I associate with would have either.

You think you're the only one who's been dealt with harshly for your views? Well, join the club! And grow a pair!

And why are you pinging jimrob? WFT did I do to you that you have to bother him about?

COLORFORNIAN -- You see, my FRiend. It cuts both ways....

[Elsie]

But, in the face of clear evil, good men need to act.

Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD

 

Where have all the good men gone...

[colorcountry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8M12XoKjfY

It’s always better with bagpipes! This second link has lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GowMI4wvmU4&feature=related

[Elsie]

this thread has devolved into a pretty nasty exchange of people making very judegemental and what I consider to be ill-tempered and un-Christian accusations at each other...

And your chosen religion, Jeff, is built on that very foundation...

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

My comment was directed at others on this thread who seem to have made it a central subject for opposing his candidacy.

Then you should have named names.

[Elsie]

That doesn't mean it's impossible, it just means that I find the evidence lacking.

What would it take?

[ansel12]

You made your appeal for us to shut up, very persistently, aggressively, and in a pretty demanding way.

[exit82]

Elsie, I never killed my unborn.

I raised three to be good, personally responsible adults. Two I lost when my wife miscarried over the years.

Are you saying that there are no good men left in America?

Or that God does not hear them or see them because baby killing is going on everyday in America?

You post such things without the slightest regard for how they may be hurtful to others, oblivious in your apparent judgment of them.

Why?

[ansel12]

But like herding cats, I know that telling Freepers that they are out of bounds is a fruitless exercise. Nevertheless, I felt dutybound to at least try.

Yes you do, in post, after post, after post.

[exit82]

That’s your opinion,ansel12.

I don’t retract a thing.Hopefully the personal attacks on this thread will cease, and the discourse become more civil.

Of that, guilty as charged.

[moovova]

Jesus is ashamed of all of you.

[SZonian]

"...my point that FAITH alone is the compelling force of any religion."

I didn't pick up on that component of your post. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

I believe that faith is the compelling force of belief, not so much religion. To me, religion is just a venue or method by which people express such beliefs or faiths.

Facts can and normally do support or buttress such beliefs and faith.

I'll take a gander at the book you recommend.

FRegards,

SZ

[roylene]

Why?

[Revolting cat!]

Not of me!