Support Mark Neumann Bus Tour [Tea Party Express: WI and MO]

Tea Party Express ^ | August 5, 2012 | Staff

[fieldmarshaldj]

Syncro, here’s no fewer than FORTY personal attacks and/or falsehoods on your part against myself and others... and in just ten posts. I’m not going to bother with counting the rest of your hateful and deceitful screeds to confirm even more, as they are self-evident.

Post #16
“Thanks for weighing in! (Keeping it simple so you don’t get confused)” - Personal attack

Post #20
“You are wrong again, but you like the petty namecalling don’t you?” - Falsehood, Personal attack
“Your nasty attitude is carrying over from your frustation with the Nebraska race because everyone doesn’t think like you do.” - Falsehood, personal attack
“I had to give up on your whining that I was comparing Neumann Cruz, your desire to pitch attacks stronger than your reading comprehension.” - Falsehood, personal attack
“Now trolling, LOL!” - Falsehood, personal attack

Post #29
“LOL, project much?” - Falsehood
“Sorry, it’s hard to communicate with those with reading comprehension problems.” - Personal attack

Post #35
“You have me mixed up with someone else. I never had anything to do with those fantasies.” - Falsehood
“It seems a lot of posters want to tell me what to do, and what I have done even if it isn’t true.” - Falsehood

Post #36
“You guys are horrible examples of “conservatives”” - Personal attack
“If someone doesn’t go along with your opinions, you attack them.” - Falsehood
“No problem, you are both dismissed.” - Personal attack
“BTW, I am mingling with hundreds of WI Conservativers/Tea Partiers that support Neumann. Which you both seem to want to ignore.” - Falsehood
“So you throw fits and attacks.” - Personal attack

Post #37
“Should get the malcontents going...” - Personal attack

Post #41
“I don’t have time to discuss issues with those that twist what I say into what they want to believe in order to attack my statements.” - Falsehood (carrying on a flamewar for a week)

“Or in the case of this Senate race those that INSIST that NO tea partiers in WI support Neumann.” - Falsehood

“Instead of spending time attacking me,” - Falsehood

“why don’t the bunch of you get out on the ground and support your choices? Or at least post links here to threads you guys have started in order to support your candidates.” - Already done, so false claim

“Not biting or buying into your sideshow, Bob.” - Personal attack

Post #46
“Again, more false attributions and downright lies about what I have posted and what is going on in WI” - Falsehood

“I am on the ground here letting you know how many tea party conservatives and others not tea party people that support Mark Neumann and you still deny those facts.” - Falsehood, nobody made such denials

“So now you lie about me and attack me, and ping Jim Robinson?” - Falsehood on claims about lies and attacks

“How weak.” - Personal attack

“Are you trying to get posts removed like one of your cohorts did?” - Falsehood

“I read one of the posts before it was removed, and it was un unwarrented lying attack on me.” - Falsehood and personal attack

“Oh and no, I didn’t report it.” - Dubious claim, possible falsehood

“I’d rather the vicious misleading posts by you and the others that hate Neumann...and apparantly me too...stay up so readers can see how out of line those that don’t support Neuman ar(e)” - Falsehood and personal attack

“No wonder Neumann has positive supporters and not name callers and posters of lies like we can see on this thread.” - Falsehood and personal attack

“I’ll answer your misleading long post later when I have time, right now I’m going back out to watch Neumann speak
because the enthusiastic applause is too distracting to continue posting.” - Falsehood on “misleading”

“How about you reporting what you are doing on the ground here, or do you not go outside much?” - Personal attack

Post #60

“Interesting you don’t respond to any of the positive proof that many in WI support Neumann such as in This and several other posts.” - Falsehood

“But you deny any of that happened, so I understand.” - Falsehood

Post #62

“Perhaps your post was removed because it was an over the top personal attack on me which the mods decided was not wanted here at FR.” - Falsehood

“BTW, I have NEVER hit abuse on anyone for any personal reasons ever.” - Dubious claim, potential falsehood

“So I guess maybe someone else saw your sick personal attack on me and reported it.” - Falsehood and personal attack

“The second one removed, when I got back to the thread it was already removed, but I imagine it was another attack.” - Falsehood

“Defend your self against my “derangement” LOL! Nice strawman.” - Falsehood on “strawman”

“Sorry my posts are so hard to respond to in a decent manner so that you have to make this issue about me instead of it’s intended purpost.” - Falsehood

“Heck, if you really think I am attacking you PERSONALLY on this thread, push abuse on the attack posts. I can’t really find any, but go for it.” - Falsehood

“It does seem that the first sentence (a quote of yours) applies to you and a couple of other posters rather than me.” - Personal attack

[dcwusmc]

I have been reading this thread and I find myself in agreement with several of the other posters, that you’ve gone into attack mode for no good reason, instead of saying WHY you support this Neuman, and why you, as an outsider, should have any say at all in THEIR race.

My sole connection to Wisconsin, by the way, is my sister who is buried there and another who recently moved out of there. So attack away. You did to them.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Thank you, sir.

[Syncro]

Post #16 “Thanks for weighing in! (Keeping it simple so you don’t get confused)” - Personal attack

Good start. That was posted because of your refusal to understand that when I said this thread was like a Cruz thread a whle back, I meant the style of replies.

You continued on insisting that I was comparing Neumann to Cruz.

So I thought posting a nice simple reply to you would prevent you from changing the meaning of what I posted to what you wanted it to be so you could chastize me.

And then the personal attacks and lies were started by you: "You’re being a schmuck again. I had to drag you practically kicking and screaming into realizing you were wrong in Nebraska"

Now that that is brought up again, you have NEVER "drag(ed) me kicking and screaming etc" anuywhere.

I wasn't wrong in Nebraska, just had a different candidate then you did.

Post #20 “You are wrong again, but you like the petty namecalling don’t you?” - Falsehood, Personal attack

Wrong again. The petty namecalling started by you in post #17: "You’re being a schmuck again"

So itwas not a falsehood, nor a personal attack. It was calling you out for name calling.

“Your nasty attitude is carrying over from your frustation with the Nebraska race because everyone doesn’t think like you do.” - Falsehood, personal attack

Sorry, my bad. I think it must be some other issue that brings on your nasty attitude>

“I had to give up on your whining that I was comparing Neumann Cruz, your desire to pitch attacks stronger than your reading comprehension.” - Falsehood, personal attack

It's obvious your reading comprehension was lackking, as explained a few sentences up. So no false hood, and no personal attack. Unless saying you were whining made you feel attacked.

“Now trolling, LOL!” - Falsehood, personal attack

Oh my, it was YOU that said I was Now trolling! So yes, a falsehood, I wasn't trolling. And yes a personal attack. You calling me a troll!

You should listen to others here about this race, otherwise you’re just trolling.

17posted on Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:50:36 PMby fieldmarshaldj(If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)

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Now that is pretty bold. Posters are trolling if they don't go along with what a couple of other posters say.

Sorry, I think for myself, and don't see myself following you and your posse's suggestions.

This if Free Republic. We don't all fall in line like sheep. Well, not all of us.

Post #29 “LOL, project much?” - Falsehood

Yea right. Many of your posts to me were projections of exactly what you were doing. I doubt you will ever see that, but no biggie.

Post #35 “You have me mixed up with someone else. I never had anything to do with those fantasies.” - Falsehood

You are digging a pretty deep hole.

That response was an answer to a false statment by another poster about me, namely that I participated in the FReeper Fantasy Baseball League. I never participated in that, in fact paid no attention to it at all.

“It seems a lot of posters want to tell me what to do, and what I have done even if it isn’t true.” - Falsehood

You and many other posters have been telling me not to support Neumann, so the first part of your false accusation is not true at all. Gimme me a break, you really beleive what you are writing???

And you yourself stated many times that I compared Cruz with Neumannm, and I NEVER did that.

So more "falsehoods" shot down.

Post #36 “You guys are horrible examples of “conservatives”” - Personal attack

No, personal opinion from observing you and your cohorts' coarse and hateful debating techniques

“If someone doesn’t go along with your opinions, you attack them.” - Falsehood

Oh quite true. I provide a list at the end of this post. Won't be able to post the real nasty ones, they were removed.

“BTW, I am mingling with hundreds of WI Conservativers/Tea Partiers that support Neumann. Which you both seem to want to ignore.” - Falsehood

OK, then I can understand that you now realize that there were hundreds of Neumann supporters that I mingled with? Good, were getting someplace now.

Post #37 “Should get the malcontents going...” - Personal attack

Good. You recognize yourself as one of the malcontents. Some vicious attack...malcontents!

Post #41 “I don’t have time to discuss issues with those that twist what I say into what they want to believe in order to attack my statements.” - Falsehood (carrying on a flamewar for a week)

Already explained earlier in this post. Wasn't it you that brought up the "flame war" in the Nebraska thread from much longer than A WEEK ago! Pot/kettle

“Or in the case of this Senate race those that INSIST that NO tea partiers in WI support Neumann.” - Falsehood

Glad to see you now know that there are tea parties in WI that support Neumann. I saw hundreds of tea partiers there that did.

“why don’t the bunch of you get out on the ground and support your choices? Or at least post links here to threads you guys have started in order to support your candidates.” - Already done, so false claim

That's easy to say, but proof would be nice. You know that I have been doing that.

“I read one of the posts before it was removed, and it was un unwarrented lying attack on me.” - Falsehood and personal attack

Oh BS! Of course it was. This is in the smokey back room now, why don't you ask the mods to restore the post where you did that lowly personal attack on me? Afraid for others to see it?

Just push the abuse button and ask. Or ping Jim Robinson, you like to do that.

Post #46 “Again, more false attributions and downright lies about what I have posted and what is going on in WI” - Falsehood

LOL, they are all over the thread!

“Oh and no, I didn’t report it.” - Dubious claim, possible falsehood

You really want it to have been me don't you? LOL! Sorry, it didn't bother me at all, I liked it on the thread. It shows what kind of person you are.

“I’d rather the vicious misleading posts by you and the others that hate Neumann...and apparantly me too...stay up so readers can see how out of line those that don’t support Neuman ar(e)” - Falsehood and personal attack

Nope, just the facts. Come on, ask the mods to put the posts with the personal attacks from you to me back up!

“I am on the ground here letting you know how many tea party conservatives and others not tea party people that support Mark Neumann and you still deny those facts.” - Falsehood, nobody made such denials

I'm glad you are coming around to the facts. Cool.

Post #62 “Perhaps your post was removed because it was an over the top personal attack on me which the mods decided was not wanted here at FR.” - Falsehood

Man, it sure would be nice to have that post back on the thread!

“BTW, I have NEVER hit abuse on anyone for any personal reasons ever.” - Dubious claim, potential falsehood

Some of us are just naturally truthful. Maybe it is projection that you think I have done that? You may lie about stuff like that, but I don't.

“The second one removed, when I got back to the thread it was already removed, but I imagine it was another attack.” - Falsehood

Easy for you to say, the mods thought it bad enough to remove it.

“Defend your self against my “derangement” LOL! Nice strawman.” - Falsehood on “strawman”

Great, there is another personal attack on me. (or more projection...?)

“Sorry my posts are so hard to respond to in a decent manner so that you have to make this issue about me instead of it’s intended purpose.” - Falsehood

Since the hijacking started, you and your posse have spent a lot of time making this thread about me.

“Heck, if you really think I am attacking you PERSONALLY on this thread, push abuse on the attack posts. I can’t really find any, but go for it.” - Falsehood

I looked, and none of my "attacks" have been removed. Go ahead hit the abuse button, make a mod's day! LOL

“It does seem that the first sentence (a quote of yours) applies to you and a couple of other posters rather than me.” - Personal attack

Oh it certainly did apply to you and your tag team buddies!

Now that I have responded to almost all of your complaints, I will post you attacks on me. But first let me say, you certainly are thinskinned if you think all of those were vicious personal attacks upon you!

• You’re being a schmuck #17
• #24 Project much; you seemed to flip out in righteous indignation (nasty remark); you’re acting like a schmuck ; pimp (you seem to like that word as I have mentioned before...freudian?) the candidacy; Private Pyle
• #32 Get some help. You’re a bonafide nut.
• Syncro is certifiable (that's the worse one so far, you must have not been able to handle one of my posts to go that far)
• #47 YOU and your derangement
• You went bonkers. ; your one-sided flame war (LOL to that one!); your nasty Colonel Klink impersonation (was that your favorite show as a young political student?);In pimping Neumann (there is your word again, Dr Freud);viciously attacking others (more projection)

[Syncro]

It’a a national race. The poster that has been attacking me the most doesn’t live in WI either.

I’m interested in getting the best candidate in the Senate race.

I believe if you read my last post before this one, you can see who has been doing the heaviest attacking, even getting posts removed.

[fieldmarshaldj]

#32 Get some help. You’re a bonafide nut.

By far, my best advice to you, and offered in Christian charity. Good evening to you.

[Impy]

Good work, keep at it. Another poll shows a close 3-way race with Fitz bring up the rear. We need to win this seat. Look at what Ryan got in that CD compared to Neumann. No room for weakness.

[Sideshow Bob]

It’a a national race.

Um, no it's not. It's a local race that could have national implications.

And on a national level, any of the 4 GOP primary candidates will vote nearly the same if elected. Some will be better than others (Tommy would be a solid McConnell supporter, the other 3 would pull a more conservative line).

But before the Wisconsin Senate seat can have national implications, it must fulfill its LOCAL obligations - i.e. defeating the Democrat in the general.

What is being ignored by Syncro & TPX is that Neumann is the least personally liked of the 4 primary candidates. Neumann has antagonized the state GOP and nearly all of our state elected representatives. Tommy, Hovde & Fitzgerald will all be able to unify the party behind their candidacies. Neumann only grudgingly so.

Yet another reason TPX should not have interfered with an endorsement.

[LouD]

1) Not all of them, but their take is the same of many of them

Syncro: Since I have told you, and documented for your benefit, which Tea Party groups in Wisconsin are NOT supporting Neumann - I would like to hear from you which groups ARE supporting him? No astroturf, mind you - I'd like to know which real groups, in existence since the inception of the Tea Parties in 2009, support Neumann?

[Syncro]

Thanks for you opinions.

Yes, you are correct about the national level thingie.

It's usually assumed when one says "this is a national race" that it means that the race a great impact on the whole populace, not just those in the district where a candidate is running.

Neumann has antagonized the state GOP

Good, the GOP-e needs to be irritated enought to get them to change.

Tommy, Hovde & Fitzgerald will all be able to unify the party behind their candidacies. Neumann only grudgingly so.

All the more reason to support Neumann, if that is their attitude.

So the GOP won't go all out to get Neumann elected if he is the candidate?

Another example of the GOP marginalizing themselves by not supporting a tea party principled candidate.

Fortunately, this is a free country and the TPX is allowed to help out anywhere in the nation as far as I know.

[Syncro]

LOL@Christian Charity from a loose cannon who is obsessed with pimps.

[dcwusmc]

And you believe YOUR guy is best because .....??? Despite press releases from WISCONSIN TEA party groups specifically denouncing your choice AND the way you have presented it, as if it were the choice of all the Wisconsin groups, when clearly it is NOT??? Why would you do that and risk an utterly unnecessary rift with the local, ON-THE-GROUND, groups? Seems like meddling to me.

[Sideshow Bob]

Yes, you are correct about the national level thingie.

I'm correct about most things in life.

It's usually assumed when one says "this is a national race" that it means that the race a great impact on the whole populace, not just those in the district where a candidate is running.

One should not assume anything. Per Felix Unger - when you assume, you make an ASS of U and ME. And to most observers here you are doing a bang-up job on parts 1&2 of that aphorism.

And no, this race won't have a great impact on the entire nation unless the WRONG candidate (Neumann) emerges in the primary and loses in the general election. There will only be slight difference to the rest of the country if Tommy is elected Senator instead of Hovde, Fitzgerald or even Neumann.

Good, the GOP-e needs to be irritated enought to get them to change.

But what you fail to recognize is that Wisconsin is the one state in the country where the TEA Parties and the GOP-e have worked most in tandem. The GOP-e in Wisconsin has changed and worked very hard to be inclusive of TEA Party principles. Scott Walker has incorporated them into his policies and programs and Reince Priebus smartly included them in the Wisconsin GOP's 2010 election strategies. Being inclusive of TEA Partiers is the number one of reason Priebus was promoted to head the national GOP.

If you or TPX had a even a small clue about Wisconsin politics, you would have known that and known not make a poor and divisive primary choice.

So the GOP won't go all out to get Neumann elected if he is the candidate?

Quite possibly, no. Neumann really pissed off a lot of Wisconsin Republicans and conservatives over the last 2 years. And Neumann disappointed a lot of Republicans and conservatives when he refused to run for Senate in 2000, 2004 & 2006.

Another example of the GOP marginalizing themselves by not supporting a tea party principled candidate.

For the umpteenth time, Neumann is NOT the only TEA Party principled candidate in the race. And to most Wisconsin TEA Partiers, Neumann is viewed as less reliably TEA Party conservative principled than Fitzgerald and Hovde. In Wisconsin, the GOP is not marginalizing itself. TPX is marginalizing itself.

Fortunately, this is a free country and the TPX is allowed to help out anywhere in the nation as far as I know.

Yes, it's a free country. And yes, TPX is allowed to meddle wherever they want. But in Wisconsin, TPX is doing dishonor and disservice to the TEA Party brand.

Again, please tell me why you and TPX are so right, and LouD are so wrong about Wisconsin politics. As stated before, I feel like I'm asking Sir Ignatius Gumby why he thinks the Battle of Tralfalgar was fought on dry land (if you don't understand the refernce, see YouTube).

[Syncro]

Another example of the GOP marginalizing themselves by not supporting a tea party principled candidate.

For the umpteenth time, Neumann is NOT the only TEA Party principled candidate in the race

And why would you bother? I never said he was.

You are going over the same ground.

Oh my, the old ass u me tactic. Swell.

Being inclusive of TEA Partiers is the number one of reason Priebus was promoted to head the national GOP.

I find that hard to believe, the national GOP hates the tea party and the conservative values it stands for.

The other digs and the obscure references are duly noted.

[Sideshow Bob]

And why would you bother? I never said he was.

Even if you haven't directly said so, it has been your inference and the direct intention of TPX's endorsement.

You are going over the same ground.

And I will keep going over the same ground until you refute it. You have never repsonded to my simple question: Why do YOU think Neumann is a better conservative choice than Hovde or Fitzgerald?

I find that hard to believe (Priebus being inclusive of TEA Partiers), the national GOP hates the tea party and the conservative values it stands for.

And Priebus is doing his best to change that nationally. But that's what Reince did in Wisconsin. If you had even the slightest clue about Wisconsin politics, you would know and believe that. What irritates me is that TPX does know that and chooses to ignore it!!

Will you have an answer for me in the next 24 hours about why YOU think Neumann should be selected ahead of the other more conservative candidates or the more moderate, but more electorally feasible Tommy Thompson? Unlike you, I will actually have to vote in this election Tuesday morning.

C'mon, make your best case.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"Why do YOU think Neumann is a better conservative choice than Hovde or Fitzgerald?"

He can't answer the question or it would invalidate his week-long indignant tirade. He was similarly pushing (pimping !) Jon Bruning in the NE Senate race, even after he had been exposed as a closet liberal (and acting oblivious to the fact). He couldn't answer why Bruning was better than Deb Fischer or Don Stenberg, the actual Conservatives in the race. Even after I gave him the "proof !" he demanded, it scarcely changed his opinion and he still thought Bruning was A-OK.

It appears that Syncro's central problem is that he seems to completely lose it when it's proven he's backing a bum candidate. Rather than listening to others that might be better informed (on a website with folks ideologically like-minded, who tend to share the same goals) and taking that to heart to reconsider support for a given individual, he is in a perpetual defensive and reactionary mode. One should never get that emotionally attached to candidates, especially lousy candidates.

[Sideshow Bob]

Hellooooo?

Do you have an answer for me yet, Syncro?

How am I going to know who to vote for tomorrow unless you and TPX tell me?

[Syncro]

Neumann

He's got support all around the State from Grass Roots groups (Tea Party groups, tea party individuals, and the originator of the WI 912 group)

Kirstin Lombard of the 912 group went all accross the state and found supporters of Neumann.

And some that supported other candidates, and she was quite successful in convincing them that Neumann was the better candidate.

Here's some pictures of tea partiers and other conservative supporters of Mark Neumann:

This is Kirstin Lombard, creator of the WI 912 group.

Good luck to you and the other WI FR member on this thread on your voting. Lets hope a good Conservative Tea Party candidate wins!

[Sideshow Bob]

Pathetic. Yet another non-response response.

Thanks alot, Professor Gumby!

I guess I'll have to vote for Hovde and hope that someone I trust (not Neumann) wins the primary.

[Syncro]

Good luck Eeeyore