Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where in all of that "stuff" does it say that he fathered him?
It doesn't say he had sex with Sarruf.
I didn’t know all that stuff about MX. No wonder he wanted to hide his son carefully.The FBI identified him as the heir apparent to Elijah Muhammad. Its COINTELPRO operation targeted him.
It placed several of its operatives in the Chicago headquarters and developed New York City police teams, using them to raid Malcolm's apartment, fire shots.
As Malcolm's life drew to a close he saw the Fruit of Islam sent to take him out.
The use of cutouts presents: the only convicted and confessed of the four armed men that night admitted he was visited by the "former FBI agent" described by author Lomax.
Douglass keenly notes Sukarno admired Malcolm.
The CIA operation to remove Sukarno would jeopardize that safe haven.
John Brennan's access to Obama's passport file was followed by his nomination for Director of Central Intelligence.
And Obama rewards FBI Director Robert Mueller with a two-year extension on his ten-year term.
Mueller and Brennan are in the vanguard of the Islamophile trend.
The fugitive now rules from the throne room.
Brown Deer - SOURCE? LINK?
I've given you one, but you already know that.
@ Alias Barack Obama: A lie is born Ronald Polland (Author)
Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man
Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.
Are you saying Polland is wrong?
So how are you weathering your unemployment?
If anything, the Manning revelations make it much LESS likely that Malcolm X had anything to do with any white woman, especially a Christian, Valerie Sarruf, IMO.
Yet you ask this?
SOURCE? LINK?
Haven't you been reading this thread?
Or are you saying that this thread doesn't have any of Manning's revelations in it?
Did he have daugthers then, and did he hide them, too? If not, why not?
Thanks for the list of daughters of Malcolm. That answers my last question. OBVIOUSLY he had his daughters before he was killed. Duh. ;) I apologize for my obtuse question.
This could be more circumstantial evidence, although slim, for a Malcolm daddy. The male determines the sex of the offspring. It’s a clearly inheritable trait for a man to produce more X sperm than Y sperm, thus tending to have daughters instead of sons. What are the odds that he had all those girls and perhaps just one son? What sex are Obama’s offspring?
Barack Senior had many more sons than daughters. Odd.
His daughers were publicly known to be his offspring, for one. And they weren’t groomed to destroy the US. His son, OTOH, was evidence of an illicit liason with a foreign non-African/black woman. His “reputation” would have been ruined if knowledge of that illicit relationship were to have been revealed.
What are you basing your assertion that he has a son with a foreign non-African/black woman upon?
Is it Ronald Polland' book "Alias Barack Obama: A lie is born" or some other source? Is it from Martha Trowbridge's website? (a pay for viewing site now) Is it from Sharon Rondeau's website? (a pay for viewing site now)
Upon what, or according to whom, do you make your claim?
His “reputation” would have been ruined if knowledge of that illicit relationship were to have been revealed.
As is being shown on this very thread there were people who knew, beyond a doubt, of his homosexual dalliances back then and even that didn't ruin his "reputation".
Circumstantial is what we’re left with when there’s NO primary evidence in sight. NONE presented to ANY court, even though there were ample opportunities. We’re to believe that the “birth certificate” is real. If so, then why did he not present it to the very first judge? Why did he not present it to ANY reporter who asked to see it? Why is it still not available for scrutiny? Why did Mr. Lakin go to prison when Obama could have simply showed him the document?
There are no documents to authenticate forensically, or even SEE. There are NONE.
People have gone to the gas chamber on circumstantial evidence alone. It’s legitimate evidence and sometimes, it’s all there is. Anybody who’s ever sat on a jury knows that. The evidence is presented. The jury weighs it and decides. OFTEN in a jury trial, there is conflicting evidence. It’s the jury’s decision to weigh credibility. Imho, Obama has none.
The only people I’ve ever heard call their career their “craft” are actors. It always cracks me up to hear them speak about it as if it takes some extraordinary talent to pretend. Every kid does it.
I understand that if he sired a son with a white woman, Christian or not, that son might be hidden, because it would be embarrassing and reputation-destroying. But some seem to suggest that the son was hidden away to protect his life. Why would a son’s life be more at risk than the daughters’ lives, from the people who assassinated him?
Are you so dense that you can't comprehend that I can have more than one craft?
Apparently so.
So how are you coping with your unemployment?
In this instance of MX and Sarruf being the mother and father even what has been presented as "circumstantial" is in reality nothing more than conjecture and rampant speculation.
Add to that the fact that those who support this theory won't even state plainly how they've come to their conclusions. It's all hush-hush and super secret with smoke and mirrors thrown in for good measure.
I've seen no primary evidence to support this theory. Have you?
There's not a lot of call for my craft right now. (main craft)
I'm in one of the most sought after crafts in the workforce. (secondary craft)
Two crafts, moron.
You make this too easy.
You should get out more.
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