Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
And of course MX was such a paragon of virtue there is no possibility he could ever had a temporary illicit liason with someone he didn’t agree with politically or religiously! Oh no, such a saintly figure he was.
ROTFL!
(The Mal-Val narrative) was started specifically to derail the discussion (on any eligibility thread attempting to find out where SADO was when she birthed Barry) and thus obscure any information, make it look crazy so people won’t want to read the thread, muddy the water, and throw crap on the people posting serious info.
There. Fixed it!
You’ve outed yourself, buddy, and no one interested seriously in finding the truth believes you any more.
:-)
Have a nice day.
As a lawyer you know very well that a prosecutor must prove to the trier of fact (judge or jury) beyond a resonable doubt that a specific crime has been committed BY or at the direction of the person charged. The trier of fact can only rule on the charges and evidence before the court. Prosecutors roll up lower level actors one by one in sequence to get from the person to did the deed (the forger) threatening prison and offering immunity to eventually get to the person or conspirators to ordered the crime to take place.
IMO, Arpaio has proof that the crime of forgery has been committed, but there is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt in the public showing that Barry or his agents personally forged the pdf LFBC or directed it to be forged.
What IS on the record is that multiple layers of "plausible deniability" of involvement in the apparent forgery have been meticulously established to protect Barry from being connected to the forger (if not Barry, himself).
Proof that a HI BC was forged would in no way cause a judge to conclude that the person on the BC was NOT born in HI. That legal "conclusion of law" could only be based on "finding of facts" that specifically supported such a conclusing with evidence...such as an authenticated BC from outside HI.
There are at least three obvious altermative narratives for Barry that could cause him or other conspirators to forge an HI BC and awareness of these possibilities would preclude a judge from concluding a non-HI birth just based on a forgery: 1. The father field on the BC did not have BHO Sr. but another person or was blank. 2. There was evidence on the BC that a late registration of an HI birth was reported leaving open a possibility of a non-HI birth. 3. An adoption has been recorded in some way, perhaps reversed, disfiguring (legally) the original 1961 LFBC.
The source of this picture appears to be:
The date the image was created: December 2, 1964
The caption does not identify the woman as Valerie Sarruf and was taken when Barry was at least 3 years old, according to both the official narrative and the Mal-Val narrative:
Title:
“Malcolm X In Oxford”
Caption:
“Black Nationalist leader and Nation of Islam spokesman Malcolm X in Oxford with Eric Abrahams, right, the Student Union president, before addressing university students on the subject of extremism and liberty, 3rd December 1964. (Photo by Keystone/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)”
Again, 1964 would seem to be the first year that X would have considered a liaison with an obviously white woman, but presumably only if she were a Muslim and not a Maronite Christian.
This photo way after the fact does nothing to support a claim that Mal and Val were together in the same place in 1960 conceiving Barry.
Dreams of a father but not the one in the conventional narrative.Marable frames the life of Malcolm Little aka Malcolm X aka El Hajj Malik Al-Shabazz as reinvention
True of the son
Father and mother are not the Kenyan and the Kansan
That way so hyped by squadrons of shrieking fairies is a Potemkin Village street
A life of reinvention indeed
As Marable depicted the father, so, too, the son is a living legend
Not the son of the Kenyan and the Kansan
Rather, the son of the martyr-to-be, and a woman of the Middle East which called to El Hajj Malik Al-Shabazz
Malcolm was in Seattle in 1960 establishing NOI temple no. 67
He was in the Middle East (including Beirut) in 1959
A woman (white) holding a baby (black) is seen from the back at a rally in a temple in 1962 "The Young Listened" is the photo caption in Mohammed Speaks
A white woman in shades is a standout in one photo of the funeral
Our boy was not born in Kenya or Hawaii
Maybe Seattle or Vancouver
He was moved to Indonesia in 1962 to be under the protection of Sukarno
Stanley Ann Dunham's role was as nanny
The official story is supported by corrupted and manufactured evidence, photo forgery, document forgery, lying oral history, sealed transcripts
The indoctrination was Muslim-Marxist, the Indonesian school and Frank Marshall Davis
The playwrights have been Cora Weiss, Bill Ayers, David Maraniss, John Brennan former CIA Deputy Director whose The Analysis Corporation accessed Obama's passport files
Stanley Ann Dunham's passport files are sealed before 1965
By that time she had delivered Obama to Indonesia and gone on about her life
All the photo record of her Mercer High and marriage to Lolo Soetero is forged
Of course the "girlfriend" Genevieve Cook was at Bank Street College when Ayers was there--and that is not Obama in the photo with her: his head is 30% larger than life
He flitted about appearing to be "rich and gay"
Going to Pakistan, perhaps for smuggling, perhaps for introduction
Now he conducts the Arab Spring
He will be flexible with Vlad
Great things are expected of him
As Jesse Jackson said
Zionists will no longer be in the driver's seat
Ayers said 25 million would be killed for resisting the revolution
The revolution is being conducted from the inside
Why is everyone in a position to do something to fight this silent? Other than Joe Arpaio and his team? That I cannot grasp. Who would have thought that so many were complicit/cowards/blackmailed etc. Are they all just going to quietly assist this revolution? I have said for a long time - there is a revolution going on and no one is saying a damned word about it. Someone may protest; "Oh, but people are arguing about his policies!". Polite debate about his policies is like complaining that the cattle cars taking Jews to Auschwitz weren't equipped with proper toilets.
This gets to a major problem with the Mal-Val narrative. X was supposed to be keen on protecting the identity of his secret son and insuring that Barry was brought up NOI, if conceived in 1960 when X was rabid NIO (and I do mean rabid!). Presumably the caretakers for baby Barry beginning at birth in 1961 would have had to have been committed to rabit NOI beliefs.
But, according to the Mal-Val narrative, by the time the transfer of baby Barry was to have been made to HI c. 1964 in the custody of Marxist humanist (non-Muslim) Stanley Ann, Malcolm X was already getting kicked out of the NOI and was embracing Wahhabi Sunni Islam, so toddler Barry would have had to have been transferred from NOI-centric care to Sunni-centric care it X was really in the background looking after him.
The Lebanese woman wasn't white, as far as MX was concerned.
I could care less what MX thought of her color.
The Lebanese woman was Christian, as far as MX was concerned.
Malcolm X - "The Ballot or the Bullet"
King Solomon Baptist Church, Detroit, Michigan - April 12, 1964
So today, though Islam is my religious philosophy, my political, economic and social philosophy is black nationalism. You and I – [applause] As I say, if we bring up religion, we'll have differences, we'll have arguments, and we'll never be able to get together. But if we keep our religion at home, keep our religion in the closet, keep our religion between ourselves and our God, but when we come out here we have a fight that's common to all of us against a enemy who is common to all of us.
Too much against such a union, even if only an adulterous one night stand.
You might find reply #670 of interest.
See in particular "never".
Belgium? Now there’s a coincidence.
Link please, and link to Valerie Sarruf being there to get impregnated. Distant cousins in residence (Mary Toutonghi) don't count!
“He was in the Middle East (including Beirut) in 1959”
Link please, and link to Valerie Sarruf being there or anywhere in 1959 and not in London, for example.
How about a link to Valerie Sarruf being pregnant and having a baby in 1961?
Thanks for you help in fleshing out more claims of the Mal-Val narrative. I don't see a single document referenced by you, BTW.
There you go again, you know everything, it's signed sealed and delivered in your mind, all in a neat little package, seize has spoken and thus it must be so. Ever heard of a girl in love going against her family? Ever come across anyone who changed their religion? For the sake of Love? Ever hear the saying that a 'P' has no conscience? You're really not a full human being - what you are is a little paper-shuffler and if you can't see it on paper, it's not real. What's real to you? A fake transcript. You pick and choose, what about the public birth index without a date in the name of BHO2? Have you decided who that belongs to?
The great seize, whose word is law and who rules these pages, THUS SPAKE SEIZETHECARP and nothing else is allowed to be tabled here.
The young couple may very well have married in a muslim ceremony, at which time the woman automatically becomes a muslim. And as a muslim even of the NOI kind, he would have followed the teaching of Elijah Muhammad, who claimed to be entitled to many wives. What's sauce for the goose...
What a tiny little mind you have.
Just so you know, I rarely if ever read your comments any more. Life’s too short, they’re boring and repetitive, and your motives are murky.
One little change and it's...you!
Kind of like your fishing for personal information about others in FR mail, eh?
If someone wants to "think" that MX and Sarruf are his parents then they're entitled to do so.
If someone can prove that MX and Sarruf are his parents then more power to them.
What you and others aren't doing is proving they're his parents. You're merely hypothesizing...airing your thoughts, as it were.
Conjecture is one thing, proof is another. Surmising something solely based upon a few photographs?! What a joke!
An unknown white woman is pictured holding a black baby is proof?!
A picture of MX in a group of people where another unknown white woman is present is proof?!
Give me a break.
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