Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
So Valerie Newman born 1915 played the office junior in 1963 aged 48? And was dead when she appeared in the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1968?
Rachael Newman January 30, 2004
Rachael Newman, 25, of Syracuse, died Friday at home. A life-resident of the Syracuse area. She is survived by two sons; Alexander Newman and Daniel Hanley; her mother, Valerie Newman; her father, Daniel Irving and two brothers, Josh and Brandon Irving.
The Post-Standard (Syracuse, NY)
February 3, 2004
Rachael M. Newman
Birth Date: 26 December 1978
Social Security Number: 102-66-4533
Death Date: 30 January 2004
You are very confused.
this should be corrected on IMDB sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Any right thinking person would be.
Oh Dear, what mistake did they make?
“Valerie Elizabeth Newman married Charles Gerald Wood on February 24, 1954 in Gloucestershire and they had two children. She appeared in all three of those listed films.”
Oh, I see, another Valerie altogether? I just need a picture of her in the Suspense TV program, and her date of birth?
OK. Strike Valerie Newman Syracuse. Can you answer the question, “Why did an errand girl named Jo Ann Newman get to write Malcolm X’s obituary in the New Amsterdam News?”. Much obliged.
I think “Trying to confuse” and “Trying to find data” are more likely.
I vote for "Why does someone who hasn't posted one comment since 2004 jump into this thread and the archives thread, post utter nonsense, and mine for info?" Bought someone's unused name or sleeper?
Martha tells us in her primary post that the October 28 date is celebration of his "conception". Now we all know that fundamental Moslem's don't celebrate their birth; but some sects and many African Moslem's celebrate their conception.
How do they know? Says Fred. Beat's me--they got an appointment date with the stork. However an October conception date would fit a birth date in the summer from Mid July to Mid August.
It also fits with a late October celebration conducted in the early days by zero which was "sort of like a birthday but not his birthday"; which morphed into a sort of Haloween event, celebrating some personal event for zero. "[J]ust as there are posts out there about the many scrubbed references to Queen’s Medical as the birth place."
Birth Place for who? References where? Scrubbed from where and when?
Nah...no one is trying to confuse nobody, you just haven’t been following the story, Jo Ann Newman changed her name to Valerie after she wrote the tribute, she’s really a boy, he/she became zero’s guardian after he was born in Hawaii and they lived in an apartment just around the corner from a famous civil-rights activist in New York, you know that because his address was listed in a directory (I assume, Martha says so, I never saw it) when he was a toddler, it must have said ; little Bari M Shabazz lives here...and when he grew up he joined the Navy or summat and ended up at Quatico and then he moved to Hawaii, probably still in the service, and he had a car accident, in which no one was injured because there was no report of any injury, and when he died in 1994, they buried Barrington Smith along with Bari.
Something like that..and what a stupid waste of time it all is. Welcome to the world of Martha Trowbridge, who started this garbage and now you have to register to read it.
Ah, now that you put it all together it makes perfect sense.
Or would, if I took some LSD.
Martha got her date from the SS application of Barrington Smith who clearly showed the name change.
The remainder came from her over-fertile imagination. She had to make the date on the application fit, just as she had to write an entire piece about how the facial features and the hair of Stanley Ann Dunham had been tampered with, BECAUSE SHE KNEW THE BOY DIDN’T LOOK LIKE SAD.
And now the reply cometh; but Martha never said the BOY was Stanley Ann Dunham. That’s right, she didn’t.
But what she did do, was present the woman WHO WAS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM standing beside zero near the bridge with Harvard in the background AS BEING JO ANN NEWMAN.
And that’s HOW THAT piece of misinformation got started. Stanley Ann Dunham was really Jo Ann Newman. I can hear the violin music from here, that’s how loud you are being played.
Stanley Ann Dunham never existed, that’s what this is all about, her parents never gave her a boy’s name, Madelyn and Stanley Armour were never married, and SAD is a CREATION. There’s never been a genuine photograph of her, they are all shopped, throughout her entire life!
BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THAT’S WHAT THE WHINGING POM IS TELLING YOU.
“Martha tells us in her primary post that the October 28 date is celebration of his “conception”.”
Presumably she didn’t know Jamaican Bari Shabazz was born on that date?
I can’t really speak to details of Martha’s posts, the original or subsequent ones, because we can’t refresh our memories, as she’s locked her musings from public view. I’m not paying to see her creative writing. I did read them when they were first posted, but I don’t remember details.
That’s an interesting observation about zero’s “Halloween” celebrations. What would be Martha’s point, if she believes Bari Shabazz is the person in question and he was born in 1959? (Sorry, I don’t remember the month and day.)
Queen’s Medical was the hospital that was originally announced as Barry’s birth place. Not Kapiolani. The stories on the Web that originally stated Queen’s were scrubbed off the Web, or they were modified to “correct” the original “error”. Scrubbing done as soon as people began to look for the hospital of his birth and pointed out the competing stories. Here’re a few links: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/07/wnd-hi-hospital-will-not-confirm-obamas-birth-assertion/ http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/10/obama-birth-part-2-kapiolani-letter-disappears-questions-remain/
Calm down Fred. Why did the office junior Jo Ann Newman write an Obituary for Malcolm X?
Jerome! That’s funny. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
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