Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
You always did have a way with words...and talk about seeing the BIG picture! Loved the summary, thanks.
He sent Frank Marshall Davis and others to groom the boy...
Did he really? FMD moved to Hawaii in 1948 with his wife Helen Canfield Davis. What a load of garbage. Did you post that as an entertainment or as a distraction?
Yes, it was a mistake to write off Martha Trowbridge’s ideas, IMHO.
I think he meant, he (Fred Newman) sent the boy to FMD.
Do you have the means to find the names of any of Frederic Delano Newman’s (late of New York) sisters?
“....After his father died when young Fred was 9, his mother raised her five children alone,”
I have the same resources as you would have. We did look at what we could find on Newman when his name first came up, there wasn’t much more than what the obituary tells you:
FREDERICK D. NEWMAN
Obituary
NEWMAN—Frederick Delano. The All Stars Project Board of Directors and staff are deeply saddened by the passing of the All Stars’ extraordinary and much loved co-founder, Fred Newman, Ph.D. He was 76. Dr. Newman was born in the South Bronx, grew up in the shadow of the old Yankee Stadium (becoming a lifelong Yankees fan), and served in the U.S. Army in Korea. Upon his return he completed his undergraduate studies at City College and went on to earn his Ph.D. in analytic philosophy and foundations of mathematics from Stanford University in 1962, where he was mentored by the renowned analytic philosopher Donald Davidson. All who knew him will remember him as a fierce champion for giving the best, most sophisticated, most far-reaching tools of postmodern philosophy to ordinary people. He taught at several colleges and universities in the 1960s before dedicating himself to community organizing and the creation of numerous independent education, health, mental health, cultural and political projects in New York and nationally. Dr. Newman was a practicing therapist for more than 30 years and was the founder of a new humanistic psychology known as Social Therapy. The author of numerous books and articles on postmodern, Vygotskian, and performatory psychology, he and his colleagues worked to develop and popularize their breakthrough discoveries about human development. He co-founded the All Stars Project with Lenora Fulani, Ph.D. in 1981 to bring this new science of development to the lives of inner-city young people. He was the chief designer of the All Stars Project’s performance-based development approach, which has transformed the lives of hundreds of thousands of poor, Black and Latino youth across the country and is providing a new theoretical and practical framework for eliminating poverty and underdevelopment. Dr. Newman was artistic director and playwright-in-residence of the All Stars’ Castillo Theatre from 1989 until 2005. Often a lightning rod for controversy, Fred Newman was a relentless champion for a new style of progressivism. He was also a pioneer in the development of independent politics in the United States, starting in the 1970s, and had a major hand in the creation of the Independence Party of New York, playing a key role in the party’s endorsement of Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2001, 2005, and 2009. Despite serious illness, Dr. Newman was unflagging in his work. He will be deeply missed by the Board of Directors, staff, volunteers and countless young people and their families in our poor communities whose lives he and his work have touched. We extend our deepest condolences to Dr. Newman’s life partners Gabrielle L. Kurlander, who so ably serves as the All Stars President and CEO, and Jacqueline S. Salit, and to his children Elizabeth and Donald and granddaughter, Jane. As we mourn the passing of our founder and friend Fred Newman, his legacy of radical humanism, his commitment to community, to development and to creating ensemble performances live on through the work of the All Stars Project.
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Tell you what, when you find that link to how he connected zero to Frank in Hawaii, ping me. I really spent enough time on Trowbridge already. Her Bari Malik Shabbazz turned out to be a Jamaican.
At the time we researched this, we also found a boxer named Bari Shabazz, who might have had an accident with a rental-car in Hawaii. I’ll leave you to it.
Bari Malik Shabbazz was BORN in Jamaica, that doesn’t make him Jamaican. He has the right date of birth. He applied in New York for his name change age 21 to Bari Malik Shabazz. There is only one Bari Malik Shabazz listed for New York. Some tried to say it would be a common name. It isn’t, for the simple reason that anyone daft enough to call himself Bari Malik Shabazz without Malcolm X’s permission, or that of the Muslim Brotherhood would be in for a tough time. Even Malcolm X couldn’t use the name without permission, which was refused.
I worry about you Fred.
“Yes, there apparently was a person named Jo Ann Newman who wrote that article...”
Do you have anything to show that was the name used on the Obituary?
Please look at the SSN documentation in the Orly Taitz PDF back in post 315. He was born Barrington Smith in Jamaica and changed name to Bari Shabazz later. NOT barack obama at all! The Indonesian school record showing Barry Soetoro always shows he was not going by that name at that young age already. I don’t know if the mother was SAD, or Jo Ann Newman, or Valerie but he was not Barrington Smith.
Maybe it’s a “mistake” to write off Trowbridge’s “ideas”, but as I said, I’m not wasting any more time on it because she gives few sources, what she writes contradicts what she previously wrote, and her photos don’t match. I could add that the timelines don’t match, either. What’s her purpose? What’s her goal? I’ll wait until she provides something of substance. So far, all we have is a fantasy not unlike Obama’s own fantasy about his life story.
“Bari Malik Shabazz was born shortly after his father’s death.”
Malcolm X was killed in February 1965. The time-line for this “Newman's sister” narrative does not compute for Barry to be four years younger. Barry did not graduate HS at age 14 in 1979 having played on the senior basketball squad, for example.
OK, now does Fred Newman have any younger sisters?
“Tell you what, when you find that link to how he connected zero to Frank in Hawaii, ping me.”
IS 10 MILES AWAY CLOSE ENOUGH?
He was born Barrington Hugh Smith in Jamaica, October 28th, 1959, of parents who are UNKNOWN because the US Government redacted their names on the change of names documents. (In British tradition, the parents don’t have to prove who they are when they register the birth, they don’t have to provide their Social Security number). He changed his name in New York, aged 21, to Bari Malik Shabazz after his father Malcolm X who wanted to be known as Malik Shabazz, but his father was denied by the Nation of Islam.
First got a card in New York 1972 aged 23. Gave mailing address at time of further application April 9th 1980 as 1st Radio BN, Kanedhe Bay, HAWAII, 96744.
That’s about 10 miles from Frank Marshall Davis’s address (by the turn to Sacred Forest)according to page 7 of his FBI files:
http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/davis.FBI.File.pdf
Trowbridge’s “girl/boy” has a distinctly Roman nose. The bridge of the nose. Between the eyes. Stanley Ann does not.
Living 10 miles away on the same island of Oahu is meaningless.
And I think Fred Nerks is fine and doesn’t need help. What is with your attitude, it could use some modification.
Now that’s silly. The only person in the world with a 1959 date of birth, unknown parents, gets to be called Bari Malik Shabazz after Malcolm X, and appears to have moved from Jamaica to New York to Hawaii, by his twenties, and to have a mailing address 10 miles from Frank Marshall Davis is meaningless???
Please!!!
And also please don’t start complaining about tone or timing, they are the last refuge of someone who has no better defence.
With respect, you have no idea what Stanley Ann looked like or even if she existed at all.
Timing? Attitude and character count, my friend. If you want people to take your new theories seriously, you could be a bit more gentlemanlike. Or at least civil.
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