Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Did Barack Obama Sr. visit Hawaii in 1971?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/did_barack_obama_sr_visit_hawaii_in_1971.html
To: Fantasywriter
For those who have never read Cashill’s tour de force take down of the wacky Malcolm X as Obama daddy theory, here’s an excerpt and the link:
‘The Malcolm-as-father proponent usually begins with photos of Malcolm and Obama. (Yes, they do look vaguely alike.) He then builds a case by adding any random detail that might support his thesis and ignoring those that don’t. The latter category includes just about everything known about Malcolm X’s character and history.’
http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/no_malcolm_x.htm
Missing from the photo montage in the comment to which I am replying is the newly revealed photo from the cover of Mark’s new book which obviously ages the two boys by about 3 years and has Mark’s current face next to the “dark boy” showing clearly that it is Mark who is the “dark boy.”
Note that in numerous past postings Fred Nerks has claimed that the two boys in the studio photos are only months apart in age and that they are Roman and Barry in 1964.
They are obviously the same boys as in the family picture which Fred Nerks claims to depict Mark and Roman circa 1967.
Mark’s narrative is that the family picture is circa 1970 and that he is standing and his brother David is in his mother’s arms.
Note that in the family picture Ruth appears to be in her early 30s consistent with Mark’s narrative that the picture was circa 1970. Ruth looks like a much younger late 20s in her picture with baby Mark taken in late 1965 or early 1966.
And that's a fact, jack.
Cross posting for the record:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3139362/posts?page=208#208
From Fred Nerks to: little jeremiah
What seems sad to my way of thinking is that for at least two years I’ve been trying to show the results of certain research, which indicates that a birth certificate was raised for a child who wasn’t in Hawaii on the date that one little girl was born and died the next day, that it looks like her birth data was replaced by a false declation, that was processed in its place. Step by step, it’s the most straight forward and simple explanation. That is what resulted in the birth announcements, and none of this had anything to do with zero, who wasn’t there, and neither was Stanley Ann Dunham. She’s just a name on a piece of paper.
The child and his nanny Stanley Ann showed up in Hawaii - he, with the name of the kenyan student’s child, which was actually born to Anna Obama and babysat by Mary in January...and she, to enroll at the U of HI. And where she was before that, in between leaving Mercer Island where we couldn’t find her after 1959, and 1963, is anyone’s guess.
So there you have the first part. That tells you - you do not know who his parents were, where he was born, or when.
And it’s at this point the cabal who operate in the confines of the private mail bunker, usually make their presence felt, and tell me I should be grateful for being allowed to post such conspiracy garbage on this website. That there is nowhere else that would tolerate me.
No matter how many images, graphics, documents and sources I include, I’m dumped on. Complaints are made. The one thing they never do, is debate. Well, they’ve won the day, I’m totally exhausted, I no longer give a d*mn my dear, and I’m going back to my original interests. My original intent was to try and educate people a little more about what islam is, I started that in 2003 and that’s what drew me here. I simply got sucked into the politics. Contrary to what I have been accused of, I don’t have any evil agenda.
Thanks for listening. It seemed a good time to bring it up. I read a post dated from 2009 a couple of days ago, and couldn’t get over how nice and polite everyone was. What happened? Zero happened. He poisoned the Well. Arabs are inclined to do that. They destroy all before them and all that comes after. It’s for allah.
208 posted on 4/3/2014 by Fred Nerks
There are also a lot of people who are just naturally skeptical and live the "Show me" state motto.
The overly skeptical are what they are, but the reasonably skeptical are truth's and good trouble shooters' and researchers' allies and best friends, since they keep you honest and make you raise the bar on your work.
If more were like them, calling normal weather patterns global warming/cooling or climate change would never have made it past being part of a comedy routine.
Nor would we fall for politicians and their promises, like many have for the one known as "obama", but here we are.
And, hopefully we are here after the same thing, the truth, not matter how well hidden or how many inner or outer distractions are place between us and that truth we seek.
That common cause and this place to share in the search, to me, is what makes Free Republic so valuable and so worthy of our support.
And all I did was park a copy of a document here that I found on another website yesterday, which showed that Mark Ndesandjo attended the same university as the son of the woman we know as the famous baby-sitter, who said, if you remember, that she babysat for ANNA OBAMA when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months of age.
Which suggests that ANNA OBAMA wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham and that the child she baby-sat wasn’t zero, because when that child was conceived, little Stanley Ann was still in high school somewhere.
It was while I was posting that graphic to this thread, that I noticed the ongoing vendetta and responded.
My goodness, what a bunch of attack-dogs inhabit this topic. I wish I could put my finger on what I was doing that gets them going...
I wish I could put my finger on what I was doing that gets them going...
Posting truth.
‘Posting truth.’
There was no truth in the accusation that I “attacked” your religion. Asking a question is not an attack. In the Christian faith we are told to welcome questions, and to be always ready to give an answer. If someone asks us a question, we don’t respond by screaming, ‘My religion is being attacked, attacked, attacked!!!’.
I am curious about Hinduism and the Golden Rule. Namely, does Hinduism have anything approaching or similar to a Golden Rule? Or is it more like, ‘Do unto others however you may please—whether bad, good or indifferent, just go for it’?’
That was not a question. That was a disgusting insult veiled as a question. It's like the question 'when did you stop beating your wife?'
The inference is that Hinduism is just like islam, where anything goes. You are the LAST person who can claim to be Christian after that statement.
Now you have set yourself up higher than the Almighty God, and made yourself a judge superior even to Him. In that role, you have gone so far as to condemn one of His servants to eternal Hell.
I will pray for you, Fred, that He forgives you. His mercy is everlasting.
PLease don’t. Your prayers would guarantee me nothing but purgatory. Your Christianity is the cloak the wolf wears when stalking sheep. May the Lord forgive you, for I never will.
Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:3-5
Catching up.
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On Mark’s website from years ago, he identified the lighter child as David in the professional photo of the two boys. Some here have switched the children.
Thanks for that, bgill. I wasn’t following the discussion as closely back then. I was particularly interested, however, when Mark included a photo of himself and David, taken about three years later than the original photo, on the cover of his upcoming book. Mark says he will go into greater detail about his relationship with his late brother, David, in the memoir. He’s also promised to correct the many errors in the Obama/Ayers Dreams concoction. All in all, Mark’s new book sounds like it will be a very interesting read.
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