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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; LucyT
"...and with all of the serious researchers scouring it for family genealogical data it is extremely unlikely that the existence of an older brother, Joseph, would escape worldwide Obama family researchers."

"All the online genealogies I have seen put his birth c. 1950."

"Yes, I am a retired Certified Fraud Examiner (CFE)..."

Yet, you quite obviously know about this page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama, and haven't even looked at all of the research from all of those referenced genealogists?

Such a person would be yet another long lost uncle of Barry’s and would be big news, if found, IMO.

Why do you say that? Are you a genealogist? Many genealogies only list the direct lines and don't even include other siblings. So, do you believe that those other siblings never existed, just because they weren't listed in a genealogy?
1,261 posted on 05/13/2013 12:19:00 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; GregNH; little jeremiah

I think I have figured out where he’s coming from, it’s not from the point of view of a debater, as a certified fraud examiner, as he keep remining us, and as the result of a period of employment at a high security prison he once wrote about, what he’s doing is treating us as criminals when we write something that he doesn’t agree with.


1,262 posted on 05/13/2013 2:28:40 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer
BRACK OBAMA GREW UP IN KENYA; Says his half brothe


1,263 posted on 05/13/2013 2:31:18 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: David; Fred Nerks; Spunky

Ping to above post


1,264 posted on 05/13/2013 2:32:04 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH


This was a stay uncorroborated hearsay comment reported by one reporter which does NOT rise to support probability of anything, IMO.

Again totally uncorroborated and actually contradicted by ALL available documents, witnesses and pictures.

Yet again the clearly erroneous 50-year-old memory that has been hearsay-reported by a reporter is being used to make a claim that is refuted by ALL verifiable documents and witnesses.

1,265 posted on 05/13/2013 2:48:45 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Thanx for the warning but I have TrollBeGone and can't see those posts... ;-}
1,266 posted on 05/13/2013 2:53:41 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: Seizethecarp

The posting of this kind of crap makes FR look sick.

It's not even comic relief as it isn't even funny.

Is someone this desperate to adorn our posting pages with garbage?

1,267 posted on 05/13/2013 2:57:10 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: GregNH; Brown Deer; Spunky
•At 1:35 “Growing up with Obama, with Barack”

•At 1:52 “Like I said, when they grew up in AFRICA.”

•At 4:00 “We talked about…especially the times with his brother, boys on the block years ago.”

Do you get it now? Who do you think Malik was talking about? He was so concerned about making certain we understood that his 'brother' was the POTUS, he quite simple mindedly told the interviewer that the son of the kenyan student and Anna grew up in Kenya - in fact, he was there in the same house in Nairobi with Malik and Auma - the period in which Ruth told Sally Jacobs there were so many people living in the house she didn't know all their names. Did she forget the mythical 'David'?

Malik, Auma and Barack Hussein Obama were all of a similar age, they went to school together, they played together, and as Malik says, they grew up together. And when the father died, the young man attended his father's funeral...

Malik also told someone that Barack taught school in Uganda. Just which Barack might that have been? Not the one who was at college in the US, nor the broken, alcoholic wreck who killed himself crashing into a tree.

That dark boy grew up in Kenya, he had a life, he was given a scholarship by his relative Jaromogi Oginga Odinga and attended the Lumumba University in Moscow for almost a decade, as he said he did.

Who was the 31 year old law student interviewed in Moscow in 1992...remember him? How did his nationality pop up as Equatorial Guinea on the background check for Barack Obama, with a birthday of January 8, 1961?

FOREIGN STUDENTS STUCK IN MOSCOW

1,268 posted on 05/13/2013 3:00:40 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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Cross-posting:

Obama dismisses criticism of Benghazi talking points as ‘side show’
Monday, May 13, 2013 2:42:07 PM · 9 of 29
Seizethecarp to MestaMachine

WaPo take on Barry’s Benghazi talking point “sideshow” comment...

Obama dismisses criticism of Benghazi talking points as ‘side show’
Monday, May 13, 2013 2:27:32 PM · 1 of 29
Seizethecarp

More pathetic and vile dissembling...
1,269 posted on 05/13/2013 3:03:53 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: GregNH; Brown Deer; Spunky; little jeremiah

The caption says it all.

Jaramogi Odinga Oginga, once-upon-a-time teacher at the school at Maseno, attended by Joseph/Yusuf and Barack/Berwick Obama. Pictured here beneath the portrait of Patrice Lumumumba at the university named after him in Moscow, to which the USSR gave scholarships for africans to attend, amongst these scholarship students was one 'Roman' Obama who, as a 31 year old law student, was interviewed in 1992. Roman at interview, said he had been at the univerity for 'almost a decade' - which means he arrived there in 1983 approx. From Equatorial Guinea?

Now Note Well. When the interview was reprinted a few days later, the Chicago Tribune focused on an entirely different student:

When Yadate Debrework came here six years ago to study international law, the world had barely heard of Mikhail Gorbachev, there was still a country called the Soviet Union, and the young Ethiopian had enough money to survive. "I can't even afford to go home," said the 31-year-old graduate student. He will complete his studies at the Patrice Lumumba University this summer and literally does not have the fare back to Ethiopia.

Now compare the above to the original article reprinted in the Seattle Times:

MOSCOW - For nearly a decade, Roman Obama's life at Patrice Lumumba University was almost paradise. He studied for free and got warm clothes and cheap airline tickets that let him see the world. "We had so many possibilities. Maybe it was not a luxurious life, but we could travel and do things," said Obama, 31, a law student from Equatorial Guinea.

WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?

1,270 posted on 05/13/2013 4:07:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Very interesting.


1,271 posted on 05/13/2013 4:20:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: GregNH

Yes, Barack Hussein Obama did grow up in Kenya.

But the guy in the WH using his name didn’t.


1,272 posted on 05/13/2013 4:21:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

A gigantic round of standing ovation applause to the wonderful research you and whoever helped put together.

The tide is turning, I am sure of it.


1,273 posted on 05/13/2013 4:28:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I think you got it. He left Kenya to go to the Patrice Lumumba University of Moscow after he attended the funeral of his father, he was interviewed in 1992 and he couldn't go back to where he came from.

Why not?

Could it be because Stanley Ann Dunham and zero had been to the village after the old man's death in 1982, and introduced themselves as the wife of the kenyan student and his son, born in Hawaii?

Remember Kezia saying, when she first met Stanley Ann Dunham, she was like a sister to me

1,274 posted on 05/13/2013 4:36:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
...The tide is turning, I am sure of it.

That's because you are an optimist.

1,275 posted on 05/13/2013 4:39:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah; Brown Deer; GregNH

Prime Minister Raila Odinga

So, ghosts drifted into my study last weekend. They came and my view shifted to a Kenya of thirty-five years ago. What a strange name it seemed to me that day in September of 1974—Oginga Odinga.

I sat in the bar of the New Stanley, eyes shot with red, new worry lines cut into my face, spirit thin as a rail. A victim of too much reality—too much....Africa. I was loitering a final few days in Nairobi when a messenger appeared. A young, sweaty Luo man dressed in a cheap suit asked if I were Gabelhouse. His eyes darted between my government handlers: Ricki and Muneje. Despite the presence of the Government minders, the Luo claimed that the first Vice President of Kenya, Oginga Odinga, wanted to meet with me and any of the other Americans in our party. After making his invitation, the Luo man avoided looking at Ricki and Muneje—staring intently at me—imploringly....hopeful. Ricki leaned across the table and whispered in my ear that it was not a good idea to meet with this Odinga. He told me how he was recently jailed for treasonous acts and was a dangerous rebel who opposed Kenya’s first President Jomo Kenyatta. Ricki fervently told me to avoid the meeting—told me that I may even face jail by just meeting with this Odinga.

Seems Odinga had seen me in a Daily Nation newspaper article that had touted our expeditionary accomplishments during our months in-country. In reality, he saw there were Americans in town and he wanted to have the ear of ANY American. Seems he had a story to tell.

I knocked back my Tusker beer, and despite Ricki’s protests, I agreed to the meet. Joe wanted to come, too.

We walked through Uhuru Park and past the Intercontinental Hotel. It seemed that many of the street people were staring at us—two Americans—probably expats from our dress and the weariness that had claimed our eyes. And with us, a cheap-suited Luo who continually looked over his shoulders. For me it seemed surreal and as though it were happening to someone else. After months in the bloody belly of Africa, my world had ceased to exist. Then, Africa appeared to me not as a tourist destination but for what it was: jackal nations fighting for scraps in a world defined by death.

We turned down the street and passed the Hotel Tropic which would some years later, offer me refuge from a violent coup-de-tat. We found our way into a second-floor apartment building that, for Kenya, was probably considered upper middle class. However, the apartment was grim. Despite the rough ambiance, the Luo man who greeted us was quite impressive as he stood, his broad, Luo face smiling. He offered us his hand. Three warm bottles of Fanta orange drink sat on a side table along with three filmy glasses.

The man was a believer. And he was on fire with his belief. We sat on a thread-bare sofa in an apartment that overlooked the Jevanji Gardens. The scent of curry and vindaloo competed with the offerings of charcoal braziers full of corn on the street below.

Odinga sat on the edge of his chair and leaned forward, facing Joe and I. He told us of his visit to America and how American Freedom Fighters—civil rights activists had secretly visited with him in Atlanta as he was under State Department security control. He told us how the famous American Freedom Fighter, Malcom X had embraced him (Odinga) and that there was even a song written in America called, “Oginga Odinga of Kenya.”

http://www.gabelhouse.com/blog-jan-jun-09.htm


1,276 posted on 05/13/2013 4:55:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Odinga says Obama is his cousin

Cross-posting:

To: edge919


21 posted on 03/14/2013 10:19:03 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000
Raila lost the election when a secret pact was revealed with Kenya's Muslim Brotherhood to institute sharia law in all the country's courts in exchange for their support of his candidacy.

Confirming all the worst fears about Obama....

26 posted on 03/14/2013 11:43:37 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)

1,277 posted on 05/13/2013 5:01:31 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks

1,278 posted on 05/13/2013 5:03:37 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: little jeremiah
...Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who died of cancer in 1995, earned her doctorate at the University of Hawai'i while helping craftsmen in Indonesia and Africa get small loans to improve their lives and their villages, and ended up becoming an expert in "micro lending."

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...Dewey later traveled with Dunham to the same village in Kenya where Obama's father came from and — decades later — saw a video of Obama in the same village near a building that arranged micro loans...

That article needs to be parsed carefully, Alice Dewey is as slippery as a bucket full of eels. Our interpretation was, Alice also accompanied Stanley Ann Dunham and zero on that first visit to Kenya, after the death of the kenyan student in 1982.

There's been no record of Stanley Ann Dunham 'working' in Africa - or Kenya - that we could find.

Source

1,279 posted on 05/13/2013 5:10:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer
...Odinga's connection to Barack Obama, however, has proved more useful in his political career than Qadaffy's billions. It was in the expectation of Obama's election as president, and to ingratiate himself to him, that Odinga's political rival offered him the premiership as a consolation prize...

And meanwhile the original, the one and only Barack Hussein Obama, born in January 1961, now known as Roman Obama Ekua, (Ekua translates to pushed or shoved aside in swahili) is shown as an Administration Official for the Consul of Equatorial Guinea, in Accra, Ghana.

AND from December, 2009:

Tripoli - The third wife of the grandfather of US President Barack Obama was in 'good health' after undergoing medical checkups in the Libyan capital Tripoli, state-run television reported Thursday.

Kenyan citizen Sarah Ogwel Obama, aged 87, arrived in Tripoli earlier this week and was received by Libyan leader Moammer Gaddafi, who holds the rotating position of chairman of the African Union.

Source

Dictator's friend: Malik Obama pictured with the Colonel Gaddafi of Libya. Malik revealed that he tried to intervene in American's handling of the Libya struggle through his brother but Barack 'wasn't interested'

1,280 posted on 05/13/2013 5:27:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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