[muawiyah]

You are seeking discord where there is none. We are not writing a doctoral dissertation. I've done extensive readings in history ~ including hundreds and hundreds of books about the Middle Ages and the period of the Reformation and Counter Reformation. i have encountered the claim in more than one book.

As far as i'm concerned it has been claimed as fact and it's up to you to disprove it. Your pet beliefs about how neat the past must have been really aren't sufficient in this debate.

BTW, most of Martin Luther's nastiest statements have been so widely peddled that first graders can quote them. You really need to cut back on them.

BTW, I had ancestors on both sides in just about every major engagement in the French Religious Wars. All I can imagine is yours moved in from Italy after the tough fighting was over, am I right?

[Eaker]

As far as i'm concerned it has been claimed as fact and it's up to you to disprove it.

That is NOT the way it works. You asserted it, YOU back it up.

Here try this one. All former postal workers are gay.

Now YOU have to prove to me that they aren't.

[Eaker]

BTW, most of Martin Luther's nastiest statements have been so widely peddled that first graders can quote them. You really need to cut back on them.

This statement proves that you always post drunk. Only a drunk, an idiot or both would post something so stupid so pick one.

[narses]

“i have encountered the claim in more than one book.”

Name one book then. Just one that supports your odd claim.

[Eaker]

BTW, I had ancestors on both sides in just about every major engagement in the French Religious Wars. All I can imagine is yours moved in from Italy after the tough fighting was over, am I right?

No, I have never seen a single post of yours in which you were right.

My family has been in the United States since the 1700's. I take it your family, Cliff are French.

Dropped any guns lately while grabbing a white flag running away?