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To: Ditto; cowboyway
You know damn well if you answer the question of what state right was in jeopardy, you will blow the rest of you BS Lost Cause Myths right out of the water.

You want him to answer in the terms set by your Marxist poster-meme. You want him to answer, "slavery, slavery, it was all about slavery." But that is a historical mega-lie, and you are propagating it.

ALL the States' rights were under attack by the Northern interests, because it was the South they meant to war down, to make smooth the way of their political faction to total power. They made the federal government all-powerful (do you deny they achieved this?) ..... drove it like a bulldozer over sectional, regional, areal differences, to provide a seamless, transparent continuum of political patronage for enterprise and commerce. No Little People getting in the way. No States and their legislatures interfering, taxing railroads for example (the railroads won that case in California, in the 1880's). Or do you deny that the Republicans built a national political machine, and drove it right over the American Experiment?

The right of self-determination was the big one, the main right under attack by the Republican sectional faction that used "slavery" as their banner to unite the North against the South and take them to war. It's there -- just look at it. Look at the results of the war. How many Democrats were elected president between 1860 and 1932? Power -- that's what it was about.

Or will you say that the Black Republicans did not drive a steamroller over the States?

Looked at yet another way, how many people had to die, before you'll admit that the Republicans attacked the People's rights?s The evil joke is, they ruined as many Midwestern farmers as they did Southern ones -- it just took longer, and the Midwestern farmers took 50 years to figure out who was screwing them.

Come on now, I answered your question, now you answer mine.

745 posted on 12/31/2010 7:49:51 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
You want him to answer in the terms set by your Marxist poster-meme.

Straight out of the Democrat play book. When I oppose Obama Care, I'm a racist. When I oppose gay marriage, I'm a 'Homophobe' -- what ever the f' that is. If I oppose SALT, I'm a war monger.

And now you come in with the same crap. I ask a man what state right was being violated by the Federal government in 1860 that justified secession, and you start calling me a freaking Commie.

Stuff it lentulusgracchus.

Unlike some of your fellow lost causers who don't know s**t about history and are all about their imagined heritage and G-g-g- grandpappys legacy, you can do some decent posts when you care to. I pegged you as far better than a slobbering psycho like stand watie.

Don't stoop to ad hominin.

I looked at your home page, and I took the same test and scored in the exact same quadrant as you. My earliest involvement in politics was attendance at an AuH2O rally in 1964.

Don't play stupid games. This is about history, and about getting it right. It's not about you, me, our ancestors or the current condition of any state North or South. It is about what happened 150 years ago. I happen to think it is important that we get it correct.

If you have an answer to what state right was being violated in 1860, say so. If not, admit so. But don't be calling me a Marxist anymore.

760 posted on 12/31/2010 8:27:30 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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