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To: wideminded; SvenMagnussen; little jeremiah
It does NOT say that if a person renounces their citizenship you are supposed to write their name on page 2 and then strike it out.

It says that if they have renounced their citizenship you are supposed to cross out part of the statement on page 1.

You better read it again. Here it is to make it easy...


Renewal passport statement

In the second paragraph. “(if any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions have been performed by or apply to the applicant, or to any other person included in the passport or documentation, the portion which applies should be struck out...)”


The “any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions” is speaking about the statement above it (paragraph 1) on page 1 that covers everything on the renewal application to include Obama’s name on page 2, and not just for only page 1.


And again here it is from page 1 right and above the Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro signature. I put the words in bold and underlined them that you should get to understand.

In paragraph 1. "I have not (and no other person included or to be included in the passport or document has), since acquiring Unites States citizenship, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath of affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...made a formal renunciation of nationality either in the United states or before..."

164 posted on 09/24/2010 11:39:20 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; SvenMagnussen; PA-RIVER
You better read it again.

I did. I'm still right.

In the second paragraph. “(if any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions have been performed by or apply to the applicant, or to any other person included in the passport or documentation, the portion which applies should be struck out...)”

The “any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions” is speaking about the statement above it (paragraph 1) on page 1

That's right.

But when they say "the portion which applies should be struck out", they OBVIOUSLY ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT PARAGRAPH 1 AND ONLY PARAGRAPH 1, not about striking out stuff all over the application.

I know that it's going to be hard for you guys to admit you were wrong after going out on a limb about this. But you're not helping LTC Lakin here and your interpretation of the instructions is absurd.

Here's a test: Find an intelligent person who is not emotionally involved in this issue. Have them read the application, and without telling them your opinion, ask them what the instructions in paragraph 2 mean.

OBVIOUSLY, anyone, in filling out a passport application, might make a mistake and cross something out. Does that always mean they are renouncing their US citizenship. No, that would be ABSURD.

BTW I think the Soebarkah name is real interesting and might even have something to do with an adoption by Lolo. But this application does not in itself prove that Obama was adopted or renounced his citizenship. There will have to be additional documentation to show that.

168 posted on 09/25/2010 1:16:02 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Red Steel

It is blatantly obvious how Obama denounced his US citizenship even as a minor.

During the adoption procedure in Indonesia, he would have been asked in the adoption court if he wanted to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and that doing so would make him an Indonesia citizen.

Obama was adopted and took Soetoro’s last name therefore he renounced his US citizenship in an Indonesian adoption court.


180 posted on 09/25/2010 7:38:02 AM PDT by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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