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Apple the Most Valuable Company in the World? Bet on It.
The Motley Fool ^ | September 12, 2010 | Eric Bleeker

Posted on 09/13/2010 5:16:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: PugetSoundSoldier; antiRepublicrat
Apple spends a lot less - in absolute dollars and as a percentage of revenue - than Microsoft, or even Sony in terms of R&D.

Apple targets its R&D spending... Microsoft throws money at it. Apple gets results. Microsoft? Well, the results seem to speak for themselves.

141 posted on 09/15/2010 12:13:20 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: driftdiver
Guesses? Is that why thousands of companies in multiple industries use them for research and guidance. Billions of dollars change hands based on their recommendations.

Yes, they are guessing... and some guesses are worth money. Sometimes they are not. This one is NOT backed up.

142 posted on 09/15/2010 12:15:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: driftdiver
Guesses? Is that why thousands of companies in multiple industries use them for research and guidance. Billions of dollars change hands based on their recommendations.

Yes, they are guessing... and some guesses are worth money. Sometimes they are not. This one is NOT backed up.

143 posted on 09/15/2010 12:15:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: driftdiver
Guesses? Is that why thousands of companies in multiple industries use them for research and guidance. Billions of dollars change hands based on their recommendations.

By the way... Gartner's guesses have been way off the mark on guessing Apple's financials in EVERY Quarter for the last three years... way off. They've been off even two weeks out... guessing way low.

144 posted on 09/15/2010 12:17:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: driftdiver; PugetSoundSoldier; antiRepublicrat; RachelFaith
It was a personal attack. You made a mistake, attacked me for what you thought I said, and now refuse to apologize or admit your mistake.

WOW! disagreeing with Driftdiver and Pugetsoundsoldier are the equivalent of personal attacks... requiring apologies and admissions. You have an exaggerated opinion of your opinions. In a word. NO.

145 posted on 09/15/2010 12:21:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: driftdiver
So you only consider Apple and Blackberry as providing any innovation in the cell phone industry?

I'm not just talking minor innovation, which happens all the time in the tech industry. I'm talking about game changers, and RIM and Apple are the only two companies I can think of who have done that in the last ten years. Suggestions are welcome, of course.

BTW, to be fair, I should mention the Apple failure in phones, the Moto ROKR. That's Apple's fault for doing a product in a non-Apple fashion, basically pulling a Microsft Zune and slapping their name and services on someone else's existing product. Correcting for the ROKR disaster resulted in the iPhone.

146 posted on 09/15/2010 12:22:36 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker

Funny, you claim to support capitalism and the free market and then attack anyone who doesn’t worship apple.

This article is FUD, nothing more.


147 posted on 09/15/2010 12:25:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Swordmaker; PugetSoundSoldier
Apple targets its R&D spending... Microsoft throws money at it.

It is really sad. Microsoft was a great company. Everybody used their BASICs, Xenix rocked, and the OS/BASIC combo for the TRS-80 Model 100 was just fantastic. I was a Microsoft fan. I think things started going downhill with Gates stopped coding and started managing full-time.

148 posted on 09/15/2010 12:32:31 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker

“This one is NOT backed up. “

You’re right, the content of this article is not backed up and is pure FUD.


149 posted on 09/15/2010 12:35:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
You’re right, the content of this article is not backed up and is pure FUD.

OH BS, driftdiver... how can claiming a company that has been climbing, is continuing to climb, and is now the #2 company in the world is going to continue that climb and over take the #1 company in the world (that really has no place to continue to climb)) be claimed to be FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt)???? This is merely recognizing a continuation of a five year trend. Your denying it and calling it FUD is your pure unadulterated Apple Derangement Syndrome.

150 posted on 09/15/2010 12:55:53 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Another reason Apple spends less is that they operate as if they were a dynamic startup with minimal resources. Apple has fewer abortions than Microsoft, meaning the R&D money that is spent actually produces returns. Investors like that. And of course it helps that Apple leverages open source products instead of developing everything in-house.

Also, Apple is willing to take big risks. The iPod was heavily criticized when it first came out, people said the tablet market never worked and never could, and of course the retail stores were supposed to be a really dumb idea. The iTunes Store was supposed to fail because nobody would pay for online music when it could just be downloaded free P2P. All of those have been immensely profitable, but should have flopped according to conventional wisdom, costing Apple dearly.

I guess it helped that Jobs went from startup (Apple) to startup (NeXT) to buying a tiny young company (Pixar) and never lost that culture. Gates sat at Microsoft for about 30 years. He got fat and slow, and so did the company.

151 posted on 09/15/2010 1:01:33 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I keep thinking of new things. There is another reason Microsoft spends more, and it’s not bad, but shows how the R&D doesn’t necessarily equate to better Microsoft products.

Microsoft does a lot of XEROX PARC kind of work that may never be used for profit, but still is quite interesting. Take PhotoSynth for example. I’ve done 360 degree panoramas for a long time, taking multiple pictures, carefully stitching, etc. PhotoSynth took it to a whole new level. I wonder how much that R&D cost. Microsoft also develops a lot of things in conjunction with universities, so a bunch of the R&D money may be going there too.

Microsoft is a better member of the community than Apple, for sure. That isn’t really what investors are looking for.


152 posted on 09/15/2010 1:13:14 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker

#2 company in the world? BP spent more on the oil spill than Apple had total revenue.


153 posted on 09/15/2010 2:00:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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BP spent more on the oil spill than Apple had total revenue.

BP claims to have spent over $8 billion on the cleanup so far. Logically, that would mean under $9 billion, otherwise BP would have stated over $9 billion.

Apple had $15.7 billion in total revenue in just the third quarter of this year.

We do check these claims, you know.

154 posted on 09/15/2010 2:17:27 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Hey if Sword and Stripe can make up numbers so can I.


155 posted on 09/15/2010 4:21:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; antiRepublicrat; stripes1776
Hey if Sword and Stripe can make up numbers so can I.

I have made up absolutely NO numbers—nor has Stripes1776—I have sources for every one of the figures I posted. I always do. He offered a hypothetical question, which YOU changed to a specific company. Only you have made up numbers. You do it as though what you posted are real facts and expect us to accept your falsehoods as real for the debate. That's called a straw man argument and is a logical fallacy. You do it repeatedly.

156 posted on 09/15/2010 5:18:29 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: Swordmaker

Yes and you are never wrong and you never make personal attacks. Unicorns really exist too!!!


157 posted on 09/15/2010 5:22:40 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; antiRepublicrat
Hey if Sword and Stripe can make up numbers so can I.

Remember what I said about honesty and integrity starting at home... Look at your self, driftdiver. YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF THIS DISHONESTY.

158 posted on 09/15/2010 5:22:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: Swordmaker

ARBITRARY CODE EXECUTION

You did see that adobe based attack last week. The one that also impacted Mac.


159 posted on 09/15/2010 5:25:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Swordmaker

BTW, defamation of character and slander. Watch for the knock on your door.


160 posted on 09/15/2010 5:26:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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