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To: Idabilly
Prove it! Nowhere did Madison ever claim that States ( under ALL circumstances must ask ‘mother may I’) Bring out you Trist letter or any letter from his Golden years!

Yo, bonehead. First you say Madison never claimed that and then you bring up the letter where he does? Did you miss something?

James Madison to Nicholas P. Trist

Don't forget similar letters to William Rives and Daniel Webster.

It is an established doctrine on the subject of treaties, that all the articles are mutually conditions of each other; that a breach of any one article is a breach of the whole treaty; and that a breach, committed by either of the parties, absolves the others, and authorizes them, if they please, to pronounce the compact violated and void.

"It surely does not follow, from the fact of the States, or rather the people embodied in them, having as parties to the Constitutional compact no tribunal above them, that, in controverted meanings of the compact, a minority of the parties can rightfully decide gains the majority; still less than a single party can decide against the rest; and as little that it can at will withdraw from its compact with the rest...The characteristic distinction between free Governments and Governments not free is, that the former are founded on compact, not between the Government and those for whom it acts, but between the parties creating the Government. Each of those being equal, neither can have more rights to say that the compact has been violated and dissolved, than every other has to deny the fact, and to insist on the execution of the bargains." - James Madison

1,101 posted on 03/23/2010 7:06:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; lentulusgracchus
“Yo, bonehead.”

Yo, Lincolnite Nitwit

“Did you miss something?”

Did you? It does appear you like skipping the most enlightening parts...

“or by usurpations or abuses of power justly having that effect”

“Don't forget similar letters to William Rives and Daniel Webster.”

In the Webster letter Madison politely informed him that his “one people” theory was dead wrong.

“It is fortunate when disputed theories, can be decided by undisputed facts. And here the undisputed fact is, that the Constitution was made by the people, but as embodied into the several States, who were parties to it; and therefore made by the States in their highest authoritative capacity.”

It matters not.

I accept your Webster letter (for Whatever you think it means )
and spot you the: REPORT OF 1799

The resolution, having taken this view of the federal compact, proceeds to infer, “that, in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states, who are parties thereto, have the right and are in duty bound to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights, and liberties appertaining to them.”

It appears to your committee to be a plain principle, founded in common sense, illustrated by common practice, and essential to the nature of compacts, that, where resort can be had to no tribunal, superior to the authority of the parties, the parties themselves must be the rightful judges in the last resort, whether the bargain made has been pursued or violated. The Constitution of the United States was formed by the sanction of the states, given by each in its sovereign capacity. It adds to the stability and dignity, as well as to the authority of the Constitution, that it rests on this legitimate and solid foundation. The states, then, being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; and, consequently, that, as the. parties to it, they must themselves decide, in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.

Since you enjoy letters:
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, august 23, 1799,
“sever ourselves from that union we so much value, rather than give up the rights of self government which we have reserved, and in which alone we see liberty, safety and happiness”

1,120 posted on 03/24/2010 5:13:01 AM PDT by Idabilly
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