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And I directly responded by pointing out that you don't need any expertise whatsoever to authenticate a hard copy of a state certified and sealed document. Even you are perfectly qualified to do so under the law.

Thanks. I say it's not authentic as we've seen no solid proof that it contains the seal and the signature. Since you agreed I'm qualified, that means you can't disagree with my conclusions. Good call.

No... not even close. A self authenticating document can be challenged if you actually have evidence that it is a forgery.

Which is what this thread is about.

And if you had such evidence, you wouldn't be filing civil complaints. You would file a criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH for complicity in fraud where there is no hurdle of standing to overcome.

You're finally right about something. I think there's enough evidence now to make this a criminal matter. We're talking about an impeachable offense. As for the DOH, the evidence of complicity is a little tenuous yet, but for cantfactcheck.org, a very strong case indeed.

The real explanation why it has never been introduced in a court of law is that you do not have the evidence to prevail in a criminal court, and you do not have the standing to prevail in a civil one. Go get some real evidence and then see how quickly things change.

You don't get it or don't want to admit it. We do have evidence now. Spokesbabe Okubo has confirmed that Obama's cert number can't be legit.

"I say it's not authentic as we've seen no solid proof that it contains the seal and the signature. Since you agreed I'm qualified, that means you can't disagree with my conclusions. Good call."

Excellent!!! See how well that works? You have now vetted the President exactly as the Framers envisioned he be vetted. By the voters. You now can act on that personal judgment and vote accordingly.

"You're finally right about something. I think there's enough evidence now to make this a criminal matter. We're talking about an impeachable offense. As for the DOH, the evidence of complicity is a little tenuous yet, but for cantfactcheck.org, a very strong case indeed."

Actually, if it's a forgery then the DOH is inescapably involved, since they would absolutely know it was a forgery and thus be complicit by definition in not exposing it. You forget, it is their certification that is supposedly on the COLB... they are aware of it, and they know whether its real or not.

So... if you think there is finally enough evidence to make this a criminal matter, why are all the brilliant Birther lawyers still putzing around in civil court?

"You don't get it or don't want to admit it. We do have evidence now. Spokesbabe Okubo has confirmed that Obama's cert number can't be legit."

Oh... poor edge. You've been buying the MissTickly / Butterdezillion nonsense? Okubo has confirmed no such thing.

Butter and MissT just made that up.

You will notice that this axelgreasy lying fool thinks the DOH should be accused of forgery for what the obamanoids have been touting as authentic, yet it would not be a forgery if it were actually issued in total as displayed IF it came from the DOH. "You would file a criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH for complicity in fraud where there is no hurdle of standing to overcome."

Isn't it interesting the misdirection these lying bastards try at FR and remain protected!