[Seizethecarp]

“That's not Apuzzo’s ‘refutation.’ It is his argument. An argument (in case you have not noticed) that has yet to score him a single victory in any court.”

Apuzzo refutes your contention that a self-authenticating documents is unassailable. Self-authentication is a presumption that can be rebutted, if I understand the FRE correctly.

Your lawyerly assertion that Apuzzo’s argument “has yet to score him a single victory" is correct, but only because there has never been a ruling on his argument.

Apuzzo has never had a chance to impeach Obama’s alleged Factcheck COLB in any court case with his argument and evidence because that COLB has never been entered into evidence by Obama or the DOJ.

It appears only the quo warranto suggested by Judge Carter in the correct venue would give the opportunity for Apuzzo or Donofrio to challenge the self-authentication of any HI COLB placed into evidence.

[EnderWiggins]

"Apuzzo refutes your contention that a self-authenticating documents is unassailable. Self-authentication is a presumption that can be rebutted, if I understand the FRE correctly."

Of course it can be rebutted... if you actually had evidence to rebut it. But you don't.

Until you find some, Obama has met his burden of proof. The ball is in your court.

"Your lawyerly assertion that Apuzzo’s argument “has yet to score him a single victory" is correct, but only because there has never been a ruling on his argument."

If he had real evidence to rebut the COLB then that wouldn't be true. He would have completely side stepped the hurdle of standing by filing a criminal complaint rather than a civil one. This is not some Catch 22 as you guys all seem to think. It is a simple instance of Apuzzo not having the evidence he needs to make a real case.

"It appears only the quo warranto suggested by Judge Carter in the correct venue would give the opportunity for Apuzzo or Donofrio to challenge the self-authentication of any HI COLB placed into evidence."

Too bad Orly's already poisoning that well for you even as we speak. But as I pointed out, the quo warranto is not the right way to do this.

A criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH for fraud is your ticket. But first you actually need evidence.