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To: parsifal; Fred Nerks; rxsid; BP2
“Over the years, he delivered more than 5000 babies, usually at Kapi`olani Maternity Hospital, personally chronicling their vital statistics in bound ledgers.”

What possible reason would there be for Obama to fail to authorize release of the incredibly historically significant image of his birth “vital statistics” in the Kapiolani “bound ledgers” as well as his HI DOH vital records? p>

The Dr. West story, while interesting, by itself without hospital or vital record corroboration, is inadmissible hearsay as evidence that Obama was born in HI.

In the story Dr. West does not say that he personally delivered Obama, but merely recounts that “Stanley gave birth to Barack Hussein Obama”. If true, West may have simply seen or heard of the same HI vital record, perhaps of a home or foreign birth, which was reported to the HI newspapers.

850 posted on 02/25/2010 11:47:50 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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The Dr. West stuff is merely collateral information having little to do with the major points. A lady said she knew the doctor, had lunch with him IN HAWAII, and he said that he had delivered Obama.

SOOOO, the Birthers get to work and think they find that the good doctor retired in 1956 so therefore he could not have delivered Obama. But, apparently, he didn’t retire in 1956, and in fact worked up in the mid-70s. So he could have.

However, in the Birther Universe, there is no sense of perspective. Birthers get all caught up in the most minute of little details and each one gets the full conspiratorial treatment.

So, there’s a conspiracy because Dr. West couldn’t have done it, but the only reason why anyone thinks he was the doctor was the lady, and frankly, who cares what the lady said. It isn’t “inadmissible hearsay evidence” because there isn’t a trial and no one is seeking to enter it as evidence.

Frankly, if there was a trial, it would not be necessary to call the lady, but if one did, her testimony could probably be introduced as an exception to the hearsay rule.And depending on the legal venue, hearsay rules may not even apply.

But, as far as I am concerned, an HONEST Birther could no longer claim that Dr. West could not have delivered the baby because he was retired. But, I will bet you we see the claim made a whole bunch more times before this is over.

parsy, who puts little past the Birthers


856 posted on 02/25/2010 12:06:40 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Seizethecarp
...In the story Dr. West does not say that he personally delivered Obama, but merely recounts that “Stanley gave birth to Barack Hussein Obama”. If true, West may have simply seen or heard of the same HI vital record, perhaps of a home or foreign birth, which was reported to the HI newspapers...

Poor Dr West, he's dead and cannot tell us if he was even there...having lunch, with a student, just the two of them...discussing who had a baby today...

And time flying, she ends up his teacher in High School, and tells us what a wonderful student he was and what a great basketball player!

I'm more interested in WHY her father, Professor Czurles in Buffalo would be interested to hear the name BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and why the name might mean anything to him...THAT'S IF SHE EVER HAD 'LUNCH' OR EVER WROTE A LETTER!

There's always a little truth in the biggest lie. Where is that grain of truth?

Might it be that Professor Czurles would recognize the name BECAUSE HE KNEW OBAMA SENIOR before he arrived in Hawaii?

Doesn't anyone think it's a little odd, that Neil Abercrombie, Barbara Nelson, Stanley Armour Dunham and Obama Senior all ARRIVED IN HAWAII IN 1959? And Barbara Nelson hailed from Buffalo, just as Neil Abercromie did...and where Professor Czurles, Barbara Nelson's father was when she supposedly wrote to him about the birth?

IMO the paternity and place of birth deception began right there. And they were all part of it.

footnote: No one knows when BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SENIOR actually arrived in the US. He was NOT part of the airlift of students from Kenya, which arrived in SEPTMEBER 1959.

975 posted on 02/25/2010 2:57:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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