EnderWiggins alleged email from some buddy written in Commie Red:
"I know you are... but my source is not Okubo. As we have seen here, Okubo's detailed expertise is rather lacking, since her explanation here actually reflects nothing that is found on Hawaiian birth certificates, either long or short form. She is a public relations person, and while doing her level headed best, she just doesn't have the hands on experience to get it quite right. Remember he saying months ago that they went "paperless" when she actually meant they went "computerized?"
The "explanation" you have posted here is at such variance with the actual documents that we know it is useless. That's why my source is an actual clerk at the DOH, a guy who (though not present in 1961) has a pretty good handle on the process in the 80s and late 70s.
I had a West Point classmate who retired to Hawaii personally go down to the DOH and speak to the clerks. This is what he wrote me back: -----------------------
"I spent about two and a half hour this afternoon at the Department of Health on Punchbowl Street. They passed me around to a couple of different clerical folks until they found someone in the health status monitoring office who handled birth certificates back in the early 80. His name was XXXXXXX.
He said that there were no copies of old procedures that he knew of, so he could not show me anything from the 60s. He said that nobody there had been around long enough to remember for sure what they did in the 60s. He did say that until the registration system went on-line (first at the Department of Health and then connected to hospital “ADT” systems a few years later) there were actually different procedures used to get the records from different outer islands at the same time, and they were not finally standard until some time after he arrived.
I asked him where the numbers were assigned, and he said it depended. For a number of years, hospitals with busy oby/gn practices got preassigned blocks of numbers from the state so that they wouldn’t duplicate each other. For a while before he got there the state actually issued hospitals the stamps that had those blocks of numbers in them, but that became too expensive, so they went back to just assigning the blocks.
Once the paperwork got to Honolulu, the numbers were entered into the state ledgers and the certificates filed. When I asked him if there was a local number too, he said no. The state number was the local number, so you could right to the hospital and find the same record under the same number.
When I asked him your question about how the hospital assigned the numbers he said he had no idea, he had never worked in one. He did figure that different hospitals would use different systems.
Let me know if you need me to go back. I don’t get to the city much since XXXXXXXX retired.
You say Ciao, we say Aloha,"
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And the correspondence from the Hawaiian Department of Health:
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/confirmation-that-certificate-number-given-by-state-registrar%E2%80%99s-office/
RE: UIPA Request – DoH Administrave Rules, Regulations, or Procedures
From: Okubo, Janice S. (janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Sent: Wed 2/03/10 11:12 AM
To:
Aloha,
In going back through my e-mails, I found this one and was unsure if a response had been provided. The public health regulations (or administrative rules) regarding vital records are posted at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html There has been no repeal of these rules.
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i),and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
Historically, most often the “date accepted” and the “date filed” is the same date as the majority of births occur on O’ahu (the island with the largest population in our state). In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on an island other than O’ahu, such as Kaua’i. The paper record would then need to be sent to O’ahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawai’i is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between). The electronic age has changed this process significantly, and it was determined some time ago that one date would suffice.
Janice Okubo
Hawaii State Department of Health
Here is what is weird. I can see people spending time on something they believe and on someone they believe is lying. Why do ender and others spend their entire life practically, on FR, trying to help Obongo? That makes no sense to me. I would only do that if I was a fan of Obongo. Therefore, I have to conclude these people secretly voted for him, maybe be paid obots and definitely have an agenda.