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"I will say this though, a State Official, in a position of authority in the Department of Health, making a statement has a great deal more weight or credibility to it than your “interviewer”."

Great. Too bad what she wrote is shown to be wrong just by looking at the actual documents. But I'll tell you. When you want to learn how to snake a drain, you ask a plumber, not the PR Person for an architect.

"Any LAWYER would put more weight on Okubo and Fukino’s statements than your letters from friends, by necessity."

Yes, they would. And Fukino's statements are that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.

I’m going to take a look around to see if I can find a picture of one of those stamps the Hawaii DoH issued to the hospitals for the certificate numbers. Maybe someone out there has one. Doubtful, but worth looking.

Your mentioning that the DoH issued stamps to the hospitals before it got too expensive reminded me about a stamp that the state of Texas gave the dealership for either title work or tax work or something. I don’t remember what exactly it was, it’s been too long, but they did issue a stamp that had a series of rotating values on it that would eventually run out and require a new one to be issued.

The stamp with a pre-assigned block of numbers where each individual number probably rotated to some maxiumum value is a logical scenario. What’s funny to me is that birthers accuse Hawaii DoH of being so corrupt but then they take one Okubo statement as the absolute gospel in order to futher their conspiracy. They’ve already trashed Okubo up one side of the wall and down the other. I don’t understand it.

And what bothers me most is that Danae jumped in on this one. She’s a bright lady and usually doesn’t fall for this crap. She’s the one who exposed Polarik’s less than stellar work and got creamed for it by this same group of freepers. She has a mind of her own.

Great. Too bad what she wrote is shown to be wrong just by looking at the actual documents. But I'll tell you. When you want to learn how to snake a drain, you ask a plumber, not the PR Person for an architect.

Prove that.

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/confirmation-that-certificate-number-given-by-state-registrar%E2%80%99s-office/

RE: UIPA Request – DoH Administrave Rules, Regulations, or Procedures‏
From: Okubo, Janice S. (janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov)
Sent: Wed 2/03/10 11:12 AM
To:

Aloha,
In going back through my e-mails, I found this one and was unsure if a response had been provided. The public health regulations (or administrative rules) regarding vital records are posted at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html There has been no repeal of these rules.

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

Historically, most often the “date accepted” and the “date filed” is the same date as the majority of births occur on O’ahu (the island with the largest population in our state). In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on an island other than O’ahu, such as Kaua’i. The paper record would then need to be sent to O’ahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawai’i is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between). The electronic age has changed this process significantly, and it was determined some time ago that one date would suffice.

Janice Okubo
Hawaii State Department of Health

Eggie, your analogy is not only false, your friend doesn't even KNOW that the person he talked to was at all knowledgeable about anything. He admitted he wasn't in the department in 1961, and I can tell you this, in the 1970's things WERE done differently in Hawaii. In 1961 Hawaii had been a state for what 3 years....? and you think that their processes would not have evolved over a period of a decade? Decade and a half(?), when this "person" gained his first hand information?

This person doesn't know any more about how things were done in Hawaii in 1961 than you do.

Because Okubo IS responsible for the information AND getting that information right, she has about a thousand percent more credibility than either you or your friend. She is HELD ACCOUNTABLE for what she says.

So, Unless you are willing to identify yourself publicly in order to establish your credibility. Otherwise you don't really have any.