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"Hawaii's own sunshine laws serve the public at large. I'm asking nothing more than is provided for in these essential laws. Attempted insults gain you no credibility."

Asking for records you are forbidding by law from accessing is not (in case you were unaware) provided for in these essential laws.

You still need to look up what the word "ambiguous" means.

"Both have been documented and ne'er debunked by verifiable proof that Obama was born in Hawaii."

That would be Birther lie #27b. No such documentation exists for such a statement by Obama's grandmother, and even most Birthers are not so stupid as to believe an Indonesian birth.

"Feel free to provide proof (that Heltan Mganaga was not the Cheief administratot of Coast provincial when Smith supposedly got his Kenyan BC)"

Sure.

Smith says he got the BC (and it is date stamped) on February 19, 2009 from Chief Administrator Heltan Maganga.

On September of 2008 (5 months before), the Chief Administrator was Jennifer Othigo.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/473466/-/item/0/-/10cmqw4z/-/index.html

On March 26, 2009 (a month after Smith says he got got the BC) Jennifer Othigo is still Chief Administrator.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144009846&cid=159&

Several weeks later, on April 13, Jennifer Othigo is still the Chief Administrator.

http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html

Finally, on June 19, 2009 (four months too late) we find the first article where Heltan Maganga is Chief Administrator.

http://www.breakingnewskenya.com/2009/06/19/more-die-in-kenya-cholera-outbreak/

Oooops. When Lucas Smith was forging that BC he didn't do enough googling to discover he had the wrong CA signing the document on the wrong date.

"Lacking anyone to testify that Obama was seen as a newborn in Hawaii will get beat by the other testimony every time."

Not when the "other" testimony doesn't contradict anything that you need contradicted.

"Absolutely false. The UIPA plus the regular birth statutes gives the director of the DOH plenty of discretionary and mandatory authority to confirm it."

Except that it is against the law to do so.

"The U.S. State Department has said absolutley nothing about Obama's alleged COLB. Nice fantasy and nothing more than fantasy. All you have is faith and no facts. The American people deserve better. Don't carry water for a fraud."

Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they have. Rather directly. Here's what they said about it:

"To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama’s birth certificate has not been released to the public, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that the birth certificate released to the public at the direction of President Obama is not a valid birth certificate or that such certificate is not sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship, those allegations are denied."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21654281/Docket-Item-17-DCD-08-Cv-2234-Strunk-FOIA-Answer-by-Defendants-to-Amended-Complaint-042309

"Oooops. When Lucas Smith was forging that BC he didn't do enough googling to discover he had the wrong CA signing the document on the wrong date."

So when numerous African papers did stories on "Kenyan-born" BHO, did you believe that just because it was in the paper?

There are numerous possible reasons why newspapers could be reporting more that one person as "chief administrator" during the same time frame.

The most obvious reason is that each department in the hospital could have a chief administrator of that department simply as an alternate title for department head, so there could multiple chief administrators in the hospital for each department. Long titles take up precious space in newspaper stories and on administrative stamps and may be abbreviated for convenience.

Yes, the title feature on Smith's CPGH BC bears further investigation, but the seeming newspaper reporting discrepancy is not remotely proof that Lucas Smith has the image of a forged document.

Asking for records you are forbidding by law from accessing is not (in case you were unaware) provided for in these essential laws.

It is. Again HRS 388-18(d) provides the Director of the DOH broad discretionary authority to release any information she deems as appropriate, she can release non-certified copies of said records to the public, and the UIPA supports public interest ahead of personal privacy.

That would be Birther lie #27b.

There's no lie and no such thing as "Birthers." The Kenyan-born Obama has been broadly reported and one of his own homies said he was born in Indonesia. Since we don't have solid proof of where he was born, these claims can't be ruled out.

Smith says he got the BC (and it is date stamped) on February 19, 2009 from Chief Administrator Heltan Maganga.

I don't see a hiring or termination dates of the these administrators in the news stories. Sometimes you have deputy administrators who may be acting as chief administrator in the absence of the full chief administrator. Dr. Othigo spent a lot of time away from her administrative duties doing academic research. This 'timing' issue is very similar in nature to the forkchunk.org photos of the alleged Obama COLB in that they contained embedded dates that were five months earlier than the pictures were claimed to be taken. AT best, neither document is proven, but I've never claimed the Kenyan certificate was in the first place.

Except that it is against the law to do so.

It's not against the law. You've been duped by intentionally misleading statements.

Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they have. Rather directly. Here's what they said about it:

You said earlier that the State Department said the alleged COLB was 'absolute proof' of Obama's Hawaiian birth and natural born citizenship. What you've cited is a standard denial of allegations, not a direct statement that Obama's alleged COLB is absolute proof of anything. To such an extent that they are issuing standard denials, they have said nothing affirmative about the COLB.