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"So what document did Obama show to the state department for a passport?? It wasn't the June 2007 COLB."

Don't know, don't care. Since he got his first one as a small child, I suspect his mom provided them a copy of the long form. But whatever he showed them was good enough to get the passport.

"Not on the scan posted by Obama at FTS. It was on a larger scan, consistent with what might happen when you scan a copy of a copy. The seal is so faint that it's not strong evidence that it was actually contained on a birth document as alleged. The flunkcheck.org photos have their own set of problems which again makes any claim of authenticity extremely suspicious."

So... you admit here that the seal was visible after all? So there you go... one Birther lie debunked by you.

Thanks for confirming.

I hope you remember that Polarik actually had to use a pencil to highlight the seal on his comparison certificate because it also was too faint to obviously see when it was scanned. Hmmmm... might that have something to with seals being hard to see when scanned on a flatbed scanner? Maybe?

"The problem with your example was that the race was declared in 1907 well before we had standardized race categories, such as were in place in 1961, when Obama was allegedly born. I still agree that Barak Sr. might have identified himself as African, but your example doesn't invalidate that Barak's race should have been listed differently."

The problem with your explanation is that the "standardized race categories" of which you speak have nothing to do with birth certificates. They have to do with reporting demographic information to the feds. They placed no requirement whatsoever on States to use those reporting standards on their birth certificates.

Hawaii has already explained that they allow parents to self report their own race. And in 1961, Obama Senior actually was an African.

Don't know, don't care. Since he got his first one as a small child, I suspect his mom provided them a copy of the long form. But whatever he showed them was good enough to get the passport.

Yes it would be interesting to see what was presented and what it says and if it actually matches the alleged COLB, which has still not been proven authentic nor sufficient to be presented for a passport.

So... you admit here that the seal was visible after all?

It was barely visible in one of the scans, but not enough to prove it was a first-generation scan of an official COLB. The scan is just as consistent with a fraudulent document.

I hope you remember that Polarik actually had to use a pencil to highlight the seal on his comparison certificate because it also was too faint to obviously see when it was scanned. Hmmmm... might that have something to with seals being hard to see when scanned on a flatbed scanner? Maybe?

Sorry, but I'm not convinced Polarik wasn't actually part of the Obama deflection team. I pointed out how some of his conclusions didn't stand up to scrutiny and he somehow managed to come up with evidence out of nowhere to counter the flaws that I pointed out. It was just a little too convenient to be real.

The problem with your explanation is that the "standardized race categories" of which you speak have nothing to do with birth certificates.

This is false: "Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and 'other nonwhite.'" "A comparison of the race designation in matched sets of birth certificates and census records from the 1950 registration completeness test indicates very high agreement for white persons and Negroes." Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf see page 231.

Hawaii has already explained that they allow parents to self report their own race. And in 1961, Obama Senior actually was an African.

I think it's possible. Again my point was that your example didn't invalidate what national requirements are. Hawaii may not have complied in 1961, but there were standard categories that were supposed to be used.