As to the August 19 proposition. I spent a fair amount of time on Wednesday exchanging emails with Corsi on this topic. There will be more to come on WND from Mr. Corsi.
There are two communications from the University of Washington regarding her schedule and grades--one-the transcript; and two-a separate typewritten communication from the U. The second typewritten document uses 8 for August, showing August 19 as the date for the classes. The second document does not appear to be original data and may well have been information copied from someone's reading of the first.
The document I have suggested was capable of being misread is the transcript--the original transcripts are bound in pin binders; each successive quarter is simply added to the transcript. The pin side creates a fold when the binder is full; the 8/9 is on the fold; it might easily been misread.
However summarizing the current state of the discussion. The point here is to create a time line for Stanley Ann's movements. Corsi says "she was in Seattle in class at the University of Washington on August 19th".
Corsi bases his position on the transcript notes--the first quarter classes show 8(9)-19-61 - 12/11(12)/61; the second quarter classes show 12/27/61 to 3 of 62.
We have posted analysis of University of Washington classes schedules. The years from 07 to 13 are posted by day; there is an older policy memo explaining the quarter system making it clear that the schedule format was in place in earlier periods.
Washington runs on four academic quarters. The quarter has ten weeks of class and one week of finals. There is a break between quarters. The schedule gets adjusted days for holiday's and breaks. Summer quarter is further adjusted in that it is run in two halves and the class hour is adjusted from fifty minutes to 60 minutes to pick up the time lost as a result of the short start date.
In 1961, the second half of Summer quarter ended with a final's week that ended on Friday, August 11; Fall Quarter started classes on Monday, September 25; Finals week started Monday December 11; Winter quarter (1962) started on Tuesday January 2 with finals in the indicated March week.
Now, to believe that she was in class at Washington on August 19, you need to believe that in that time frame, the University ran a unique class schedule for these two classes never again seen anywhere on this kind of schedule--a 16 week quarter? With finals in the normal finals week at the end of what would have the tenth week, along with all the other classes?
Both classes in this aberrational one-time only quarter started on a Saturday (August 19) which is also something I do not know of ever happening anywhere else.
And these classes were held at a time when the entire University (except for some of the libraries running on "vacation schedules") we locked down during the vacation period from the end of summer quarter to the beginning of administrative staff work for fall quarter.
These two classes were lower division classes--a Poli Sci course and an introductory Anthro course; that were often taken in night school to meet specific degree requirements in two colleges and often difficult to schedule in day school. So the students were going to come back six weeks early to take these lower division classes?
Both taught in buildings on the quad (or a building which backed on the quad to the South) which I walked by almost every day between August 14 and mid September, 1961--they were generally inaccessible in that period. I doubt that I was on campus on Saturday August 19--no one else was either. I do know that I was there on Monday the 21st.
Corsi was to receive further documentation from the U of W confirming that these classes were there on August 19 yesterday and said he would send me copies. He also intends to write a further article also affirming that schedule.
Bottom line--Stanley Ann wasn't in a classroom on the University of Washington Campus on Saturday, August 19.
The concern is that if this ultimately comes to light, it will adversely impact WND and Mr. Corsi's credibility on the main issues which is bad.
The Perkins firm which serves as Obama's primary lawyers at this point, is based in Seattle. Lawyers there will know how to locate real data.
As to your second point--the birth in Coast Hospital. I have heard from several sources of birth documents having some degree of reliability stating his birth essentially as set forth on the Orly Birth Certificate.
Against the backdrop of tertiary evidence, most of which is hearsay or reconstructions of public interviews that have been scrubbed, I find the argument that he was born in Kenya to be overwhelmingly persuasive. Others may not agree; it may turn out otherwise.
However the lawyer looks as this stuff and thinks about it in terms of cause of action, jurisdiction, and remedy. I have never thought the task of proving the birthplace would be the most difficult challenge. The real problem is getting a plaintiff with a cause of action who can get it into a court with jurisdiction in which he has standing to seek a remedy that the court can provide. So far, no one has been able to figure out how to do that.
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The idea that the the number was a 9, misread as an 8 is this.
You look at the following quarter--it shows 12/27 for a start date. Well classes didn't start Wednesday, the 27th of December; they started Tuesday, January 2, 1962. Why should we assume that a 08-19 start date really reflects a start of classes for a quarter in which classes started on 09-25?
In fact, for extension classes, 12/27 probably represents a reasonable registration date. Which in turn would lead you to think that the first date shown for fall quarter is also a registration date. And 09-19, a Tuesday preceding the Monday on which classes started, looks like a reasonable date to expect registration might have happened.
08-19 doesn't even look like a reasonable date on which to think she might have registered for Fall Quarter--in part because it was a Saturday during the vacation period.
So I speculate that the 08-19 date is either a misreading; or simply bad data. Maybe wrong. We will see what Mr. Corsi comes up with.
At the time, few Kenyans had access to health care as most hospitals were mission hospitals located in major cities, he wrote in a 1964 article in Stanford MD, the medical school’s alumni magazine at that time. So he set about establishing a national system of government-run hospitals in the country’s 74 local districts — a system that continues to this day.
Before becoming health minister, he also worked with private interests to build a clinic and maternity hospital in Thika, as well as a clinic in Riruta, both near Nairobi. To help counter the country’s serious shortage of doctors, Mungai looked to the West for a partner to help him start Kenya’s first medical school, at the University of Nairobi. He approached Stanford, among others, and ended up inking an agreement with the medical school at McGill University in Montreal, which supplied some 50 faculty members to teach at the new African school. The medical school opened in 1967. Today, it turns out 100 graduates each year.
What I'm saying is that there were few hospitals for Stanley Ann to access in Kenya in 1961. Very few.
The Perkins firm which serves as Obama’s primary lawyers at this point, is based in Seattle. Lawyers there will know how to locate real data.
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How convenient. They can locate or *fix* real data.
I don’t have any primary data at hand, but I suspect you are right. Most colleges started after Labor Day back then, and many not until mid September. And it was customary to have the summer schedule in the early part of summer, leaving August free for faculty vacations.
As it happens, I was teaching at Seattle University in 1968. I don’t know what the UW schedule was for sure, but I would guess, fairly confidently, that they would not hold clsses in August. No university did that back then. It was only in later years that they began starting fall terms in late August. But in the 60s, starting before Labor Day would have been extremely odd.
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