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To: El Gato
Fact he is still an Indonesian citizen is substantive. And his Indonesian citizenship and subjection to Indonesian sovereignty ought to preclude him from being a Natural Born Citizen, even if he were born in Hawaii (he wasn't).

No, once natural born, no actions taken by ones parents, natural or adoptive, can change that status. It's even true citizen children in general. Only he could have renounced his citizenship, and even then not until he turned 21, in general anyway. Of course if had done that, there would be paperwork.

When I first read this comment, I thought maybe you were correct and I was wrong.

But, consider--hypothetically, a person born in Hawaii renounces his US Citizenship and becomes an Indonesian citizen; then renounces his Indonesian citizenship and becomes a US Citizen by naturalization proceeding.

Is he now a "natural born" citizen? Doubt there would be any law and the judge would give it to him if he won the election; but, he shouldn't be. Because the citizenship that counts--his present citizenship was naturalization, not "natural born"; the natural born went away when he renounced.

8,627 posted on 08/11/2009 6:44:12 AM PDT by David (...)
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David: This is OT, but relates in a way. I was raised to believe that you could not have dual citizenship in the US, PERIOD. I had a good friend in HS who cliamed to have dual citizenship because he was born here. However, his Welsh father was a British Counsel General stationed in San Francisco at the time and his mom was Australian. He always told his friends that he had to decide to renounce British citizenship when he reached majority (which was 21 at the time). He lived and died in the US and there was no further problem with his odd citizenship.

Then in the 1970s, early 1980s, when there was a spate of airliner and ship hijackings going on, announcements came out in the newspaper that it was OK to have another kind of citizenship if the other country allowed it. The US would just look the other way and you could travel out of the US on a foreign passport if you could get one. This was because the terrorist would look for people with US passports to take them hostage.

I remember because under the rules my mother could have qualified for an Irish passport through her grandfather who had died many years before. I encouraged her to get one because she was traveling quite a lot at that time, but she would have no part of it. Reportedly traveling on a foreign passport while over seas would make no difference to your citizenship status at home.

What were/are the rules at that time? This would have een the same time period when Obama went to Pakistan.


8,630 posted on 08/11/2009 7:10:14 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: David; BP2

Some thing has been roiling in the back of my head. Some forgotten piece of info, and I have found it.

Ref: Jerome Corsi’s book, “The Obama Nation”, page 73. Barack Obama was known as Barry Obama at Punahou, according to Corsi, pg. 73. His nickname on the basketball team was “Barry the O’bomber”. On pag. 74, Corsi relates that his father visited him during this time period and addressed him as “Barry” too.

Now, putting that into perspective, I didn’t think much of Corsi’s book. As a matter of fact I forgot that I owned it. Corsi’s book seems to be mostly regurgitated from Barack Obama’s “Dreams from my Father” — a book report, so to speak, with a few contradictions thrown in to make the buyer think that he/she has purchased new material. Now that we all know what a liar Obama is, I wouldn’t believe anything based on DOMF.


8,633 posted on 08/11/2009 7:34:55 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: David
But, consider--hypothetically, a person born in Hawaii renounces his US Citizenship and becomes an Indonesian citizen; then renounces his Indonesian citizenship and becomes a US Citizen by naturalization proceeding. Is he now a "natural born" citizen?

He isn't. In your example *he*, not his parents, renounced his citizenship. Remember part of my statement was:

No, once natural born, no actions taken by ones parents, natural or adoptive, can change that status.

In the real world, his "Indonesia citizenship was aquired by adoption, but IF he was a US citizen, natural born or not, that adoption did not change his citizenship status under US law and the US Constitution. Of course that IF is 900 Billion dollar, question at hand.

BTW, once an adult renounces his/her citizenship, becoming naturalized is very difficult. One might manage it by marrying some Amazon witch with US Citizenship, but it would still be naturalized citizenship.

8,735 posted on 08/11/2009 8:34:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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