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To: Vendome
You wrote: "The parent is a citizen of another country and under that country's Jurisdiction. That makes the baby a citizen of the country their parents are citizens of." ** My understanding is quite the opposite. If you are located in the United States, you are subject to its laws. You are under its jurisdiction. You disobey its laws, and you go to jail. It is my understanding that the Supreme Court has ruled on the meaning of the phrase regarding jurisdiction. You also wrote: "You can only be NBC if both parents are citizens of the US and subject to the jurisdiction of the US." ** Says who? And where? We are all looking for that?
7,328 posted on 08/06/2009 9:42:18 AM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor; Vendome
"If you are located in the United States, you are subject to its laws."

That is not what the ammendment means, and you know it. It means having entered the country in accordance with its laws, and not being immune therefrom.

Illegals are subject to prosecution if apprehended, but are not here under our laws in any way.

7,333 posted on 08/06/2009 9:53:12 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Technical Editor

You wrote: "The parent is a citizen of another country and under that country's Jurisdiction. That makes the baby a citizen of the country their parents are citizens of." **

 

You wrote:

My understanding is quite the opposite. If you are located in the United States, you are subject to its laws. You are under its jurisdiction. You disobey its laws, and you go to jail.

 

That is true for any one “who is in the United States” under citizens and visitors alike.  However, let’s try this example:

 

You are a citizen of Great Britain and you are in the U.S. under a work visa.  You take a vacation to the Bahamas and on a whim travel to Cuba.  The U.S. has laws against travel and trade for American citizens but, Great Britain does not.  You are therefore in no jeopardy of prosecution as has no jurisdiction over you.  Same goes if they wanted to begin conscription.  You would not be conscripted as you are not a citizen.

 

If you are not a citizen then you cannot confer U.S. citizenship status to your children.  Much like a diplomat, who is here from China, has a child in Lexington Hospital on the Upper East side of New York.  That child would be a citizen of China.  The United States and China would acknowledge and recognize as such.

 

Here is another example I wrote a while back:

 

American Citizenship cannot be conferred upon a baby whose parents are citizens of another country.

 

Think of this way. Mom and Dad, from say, Paris, France come to Disneyland in Los Angeles. While they are here, on vacation, the very pregnant, French Mom goes into labor.

 

Well the smart thing to do is get to a hospital. So they do, cuz they are smart (they are French after all).

 

So while the smart, French, pregnant woman is in the hospital she gives birth. We can say it is a boy for the purpose of this discussion.

 

Anyway, out pops this kid, thing, with ten fingers and ten toes. Perfect. Except now the vacation is over and the newly minted French Mom and Dad have to go home. They live in the Montmartre District of Paris and can't wait to get home and have their baby blessed and baptized, at a little church called Sacré Coeur.

 

This beautiful white church is just a couple of blocks up from them and sits on a hill overlooking Paris. It will be a beautiful, momentous and joyous occasion.

 

So they leave the next day on board a British Airways flight, so the French Mom can lay down on a bed for the overnight flight and be comfortable.

 

The French Mom and French Dad, arrive at de Gaulle International and the immigration and customs people, of France, ask for the passport of the French Mom and French Dad.

 

They ask if the French Mom and French Dad have anything to declare and ....

 

So what nationality is the child?


7,340 posted on 08/06/2009 10:02:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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