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To: Las Vegas Ron
ST believes that if the constitution requires you to be natural born and the secretaries of state are to place qualified candidates on the job, thaen they must read the candidates mind or take his word for it, because the constitution does not mention birth certificates.

The constitution also doesn't authorize the president to transport troops by airplane, but some how he has to ensure the national defense.

If it were up to ST, we would need to amend the constitution so that the president could do that and include any number of other procedural issues to authorize what we already do to carry out the constitution.

6,567 posted on 08/04/2009 7:31:05 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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It’s a slight bit different that you say. I mean by that... the Constitution says what the candidate must *be* and then it’s up to the officials to carry out the “methodology” of determining that.

Now, the conflict here is that people here have said that they want a “methodology” of “seeing the birth certificate” while the officials have simply (and with all candidates in the past) had them sign and swear an oath they are *are* what the Constitution says that they must *be* — and that is their “methodology”...

The Constitution doesn’t have a “methodology” prescribed, but merely says what the candidate must *be*...

And here’s the Constitution for you...., the *basics* of the Constitution on this qualifications issue...

And yes, there is a Constitution, it’s to follow — and here is what it says, in regards to qualifications. The Constitution says that a candidate must be the following in order to qualify for the office. The candidate must ...

*be* 35 years or older
*be* a resident 14 years or more
*be* a natural born citizen

And Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...

It does not say what is necessary to show it, prove it or what any means for “vetting” is. That’s up to the states themselves to vet and make sure that the candidates meet the qualifications.

And what they have done is sworn an oath that they are qualified..., Obama has, the other candidates have and they have in the past...

And in addition the State of Hawaii says that he *is* exactly what the Constitution says he must *be*...

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question. So, when there is no Constitutional issue at problem here with the Qualifications for office, why would the Supreme Court get involved? Which is why they didn’t get involved.

And if you want to get Obama to show his birth certificate, you’re going to have to get a state law to that effect, which is what I’ve been proposing since the election.

And you’ll notice that no one is saying to ignore the Constitution...


6,574 posted on 08/04/2009 7:36:39 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: nufsed
And here's the *method* that many of the states have chosen in their own laws and requirements to vet the candidates. It's the same process that they've used for quite a long while in the past, all the way up to this present candidate and President...

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1703



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6,578 posted on 08/04/2009 7:39:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: nufsed

Also, you’ll note this is what I said in post #5904, in regards to my current position...


Well, I’ve got a pretty basic position mapped out for myself. It breaks down into three areas...

(1) I’m going to go by the official Hawaii pronouncement, unless something solid comes up (in a court of law) that disproves it.
(2) Since everyone wants to see the birth certificate, I’m going to continue to work for enacting a state law for that purpose (Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Azrizona already working on it).
(3) The issue of natural born, as far as parents and their citizenship, I’m going to let the Supreme Court decide on it and I’ll take their decision.

That’s where it boils down for me right now...



6,582 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:23 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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