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To: buccaneer81
Independence from the United Kingdom
- Date December 12, 1963
- Republic declared December 12, 1964

This document dated February 1964, amidst historical tumult.

This Republic of Kenya title is then a key to authenticity. A forger would need do extensive historical research to determine when Kenyans started producing documents with the Republic of Kenya. If other documents from February of 1964 call it the Republic, then it is likely authentic. But if other contemporaneous documents refer to Kenya still as a colony, or something else, then it is probably fake.

2,093 posted on 08/02/2009 11:12:34 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

True. I would have expected “Dominion” of Kenya, or simply “Kenya” before the adoption of “Republic.”


2,116 posted on 08/02/2009 11:17:37 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Plutarch
This Republic of Kenya title is then a key to authenticity. A forger would need do extensive historical research to determine when Kenyans started producing documents with the Republic of Kenya. If other documents from February of 1964 call it the Republic, then it is likely authentic. But if other contemporaneous documents refer to Kenya still as a colony, or something else, then it is probably fake.

Contemporaneous documents would be the best corroboration. But notice that this document is only No. 495, a pretty low number. My guess is that this is because the Registrar already had a shipment of the new "Republic" forms and had started using them in advance of the formal declaration of the Republic of Kenya.

2,132 posted on 08/02/2009 11:22:31 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: Plutarch
This Republic of Kenya title is then a key to authenticity. A forger would need do extensive historical research to determine when Kenyans started producing documents with the Republic of Kenya. If other documents from February of 1964 call it the Republic, then it is likely authentic. But if other contemporaneous documents refer to Kenya still as a colony, or something else, then it is probably fake.

exactly and that should be easy enough for us or a forger to verify there also appears to be a form number at the top.

There also appears to be two black marks possibly wide spaced staple holes under 7s 6d. The lack of staple holes on Calif DL in the old days indicated an obvious fraud as they sent the DL's out stapled to another paper..there would either be no marks or black marks but no holes on the fakes..dont try that at home.

2,135 posted on 08/02/2009 11:23:05 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Plutarch

>> If other documents from February of 1964
>> call it the Republic, then it is likely authentic.

From
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

“WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.”

They don’t show these others so we can see for ourselves.


2,427 posted on 08/02/2009 12:22:50 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ("Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.")
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To: Plutarch
This Republic of Kenya title is then a key to authenticity

Exactly! That's what it all boils down to

A forger would need do extensive historical research to determine when Kenyans started producing documents with the Republic of Kenya

Not really - it wouldn't matter, a blank form from before they officially became a Republic would be needed. I highly doubt any had been saved. IF this is a hoax, he had no other option but to use their current form no matter what research he did. Like you said - it all rests on the Republic of Kenya title.
2,979 posted on 08/02/2009 2:18:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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