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To: hoosiermama
A question for you or anyone regarding the Orly document... As everyone who followed the first half to two-thirds of this thread knows, Orly's document was vetted to the extent possible and it was NOT determined to be a fake. We can't know for sure that it is valid, but no one could find a single point that would rule that possibility.

Part of the discussion that was conjecture concerned why the document existed. Given the date and how it coincided with Ann Dunham Obama’s filing for divorce from B. Obama Sr. and Obama Sr.’s non-response to the divorce papers, it was rationally theorized that what is in essence a Kenyan COLB was requested and issued for that court proceeding.

Now, finally to the question.... Why would Ann go to the trouble of getting the birth document from Kenya when she could have gotten a COLB from Hawaii?

Possible answers I thought of:

1. She did not know the birth had been registered in Hawaii because her mother did it and neglected to tell Anne.

2. The court wouldn't accept it. (Why wouldn't they?)

3. The birth information in Hawaii was not there at the time of the court proceeding and was done right after the divorce because the divorce highlighted the need to have it there or it was done just before Obama got into politics. The newspaper announcements have no bearing as they could have been cooked up with the rest of it. (Where there's a will [and money], there's a way.)

4. The Orly document was not issued, despite the perfectly matched date, because Ann or anyone else needed it for divorce court.

5. It was issued relative to the divorce but for someone other than Ann.

What do you think?

10,064 posted on 08/30/2009 12:33:02 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54

1. It may not have been her mother who registered the birth. Rather the hospital notifying the AMerican Embassy. THe Embassy wiring the State of HI....THis would also explain notice in the paper as well. It would explain where they obtained the address, which Polk Directory said was the home of her parents at the time...An address to send the registration.

2. Don’t think they would deny a legitamately registered BC.

3. Possibly not registered in HI till this time. BUt grammy could have put the information in the news as many do.

4. ???

5. If he had contested the divorce or asked for visitation I’d say yes, but under the circumstances NO.

That leaves us with 1 or 3.


10,067 posted on 08/30/2009 1:38:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Natural Born 54

Early on in this whole affair, someone, I don’t recall who it was, reported rumors of three birth certificates for the child. The first one was supposed to be from the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. The second birth certificate was supposed to be Canadian, and the third one being the Hawaiian birth certificate.

A hypothetical scenario explaining three birth certificates runs something like this:

Ann gives birth in Mombasa, Kenya, and the child receives a first birth certificate in the normal course of such affairs.

When Ann tries to arrange for her flight back to the United States with her newborn child, the airline insists she must have the necessary docuemnts for the entry of her newborn child into the United States before the ticket/s can be sold or used. Since the father is British Kenyan and she is not yet old enough at eighteen years of age to confer U.S. citizenship to the newborn child, the U.S. Consul says they cannot recognize the newborn as a U.S. citizen on her passport. Consequently, Ann can only take the child to another British Commonwealth nation without the child’s father and his passport.

Meanwhile, Madelyn Dunham has already arranged to file for a birth certificate in Hawaii on behalf of her daughter’s newborn child on the basis of Ann’s residence in Hawaii. This filing with the State of Hawaii is reported routinely to the local newspapers and included in the customary birth announcements, but with a false address because the parents did not actually live together.

Unable to enter the United States directly without the U.S. birth certificate in hand for the child, Ann takes a flight to the British Commonwealth country of Canada, with Vancouver, British Columbia being convieniently close to their former home and acquaintances in Seattle, Washington. After her arrival in Canada, Ann receives delivery of the U.S. birth certificate, or she obtains a third birth certificate from Canada as a delayed report of birth in a Commonwealth nation. If she obtained a Canadian birth certificate for the newborn, she used it to take advantage of the relaxed requirements for U.S. border crossing granted to Canadian citizens. Once she and the newborn are across the border and in the United States, Ann discards the Canadian birth certificate and uses the Hawaiian birth certificate Madelyn Dunham sends to her in Seattle for the child.

In such a scenario, a close look at the original Hawaiian birth certificate may reveal a report of a foreign birth registered in Hawaii, which would inevitably lead to questons about Barack Hussein Obama Jr.’s having any U.S. citizenship in addition to his native born British citizenship, and set off a whole new chain of events.


10,102 posted on 09/02/2009 1:47:42 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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