Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Bari Shabazz. He said, iirc, that he lived in New York and was required to provide his driver’s licence which he did not have with him.
This incident was uncovered after one Martha Trowbridge maintained that Bari M Shabazz was the secret love-child of Malcolm X living around the corner from his family home in New York.
It turned out that person was Hugh Barrington Smith who was born in 1959 in Kingston Jamaica, and went through a legal name change.
But the record of the traffic incident in Hawaii was expunged in recent years, and that added more fuel to the fire. Iirc, the traffic ‘accident’ was in 1982.
There was, at the time, a site on the web for a boxer who had also changed his name to Bari Shabazz.
That site no longer exists.
Mario Apuzzo took it up and became a Martha Trowbridge groupie. I try and find the link if you want it, but it gets pretty dark and murky and leads nowhere. The record of the traffic incident was discovered by a researcher from WTPOTUS blog, he sent it to Apuzzo anonymously, and Apuzzo confirms it.
Myself, I agree with the scenario that there was a motor-cycle accident in Kenya, it was probably in 1983 when there are reports out of Kenya that zero was seen at the graveside. After the old man died, SAD and Alice Dewey and zero went to Kenya as a threesome, and introduced themselves as the woman he married in the US and his son, and Alice as her teacher. Alice writes about her visit to the village, but she’s very guarded in her language about when it was.
In my musings, I’m apt to say, David had a motor-cycle accident, and zero has the scars.
Kezia also blew it when she said that the first time she saw SAD, she thought the woman must be Ruth.
GregNH wrote:
“Someone once thought that a Barri Shabazz was Zero and low and behold we have a police report that shows up with his name in it for driving without a license when he was involved in a “major” accident. Now I am not a doctor nor do I play one on the internet but the type of scars Zero has are consistent with some sort of traffic accident....just sayin. But there is no record? We don’t see the scars in all these pics that are out there that predate 1987? When did he get them? Where did he get them?”
OK, THIS IS A THEORY
IF (and this is a big IF) O was visiting family in Kenya in 1987 (not ‘88)
COULD he have been on the motorcycle with his half brother David and they got in the wreck that killed David (David died 1987)
And 0 had amnesia from it.....
If anyone has corrections for the following dates, let me know
0 finished Columbia in ‘83 then worked at b.I.c. in NY from ‘83 to ‘85 then in Chicago community organizer from ‘85 to ‘88.
He went to Kenya in ‘88 for 5 weeks.
If it wasn’t ‘88 but ‘87, then it may have happened as I theorize.
I was writing my post to answer your question, posted it, then started reading further ....
GMTA :D
There are two interesting articles out of Kenya, where two different people say that the son of the kenyan student attended his father’s funeral, and another that says he was seen mourning at the graveside.
The death was in 1982.
Reports of zero’s first visit to Kenya vary, it’s either 1987 or 1988. But you need a keen eye. Images show him looking very young with ‘granny’ Sarah - and further images from his ‘official’ visit show him wearing the same clothes. You think that’s just a coincidence?
“Answer your question” s/b “answer your first question”
It could have been in ‘83, he finished Columbia then so maybe went to Kenya before starting work at b.I.c.
Look at it this way, either he or SAD heard from someone in Kenya that the kenyan student has been killed in a motor vehicle accident.If there’s been some hanky-panky with the early records, they both need to know what he might have kept by the way of photographs and documents. Zero’d ID is now in danger. There’s a flight record for SAD out of Hawaii in 1983, the destination is deleted. Kezia says the first time she met SAD ‘she was like a sister to me’ - but that was after Kezia admitted, she thought the white woman from the US had to be Ruth,
That shows Kezia knew about Ruth who had married the Kenyan in 1964 and was living in Nairobi! But Kezia apparently knew nothing about Stanley Ann Dunham or the ‘son’ she and the kenyan student supposedly produced in Hawaii. But Alice Dewey would have been there very conveninetly to substantiate that yes, this woman was married to your ‘husband’ and yes, this is their son, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama 11, we was born in August 1961, and they named him after his father.
One ‘researcher’ acting on his own
Problem is access to two major universities
One ‘researcher’ with a good ‘team’ for backup
Access is not a problem
That’s just school records.
Now the same has to be done for all the other pieces of paper trail, the phone book, etc.
For something of this magnitude, it would take an “agency” ;(
The above is all paper, what about people, the university classmates of SADO’s?
I already posted two articles that totally contradict each other one or two pages back, did you read them?
Here's another example, see if you can work out how this came about:
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Another class mate, Barbara Cannon Rusk, recalls visiting Stanley Ann Dunham and her baby son Barack at her apartment on Capitol Hill in Seattle shortly after the end of these spring quarter classes. (1962).
‘I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World’s Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann’s apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn’t in classes, and didn’t have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn’t right in her marriage. It was all very mysterious. First, her husband wasn’t there, he was already off in Harvard. I didn’t ask her about the relationship, feeling it was a private matter. My daughter Michelle was just a few weeks younger than Stanley’s son, who she called Barry, and they played together on the floor.’
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Sum 1962 — Sighting by John W. Hunt in June-Sept 1962
“I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World’s Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann’s apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn’t in classes, and didn’t have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn’t right in her.”
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You don't think they might have been reading from the same script by any chance?
Of course the source of the John Hunt story is no longer available...
AND THAT JOHN HUNT REFERENCE CAME FROM A PAGE OF THE OBAMA FILE:
Sum 1962 — Sighting by John W. Hunt in June-Sept 1962
— “I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World’s Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann’s apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn’t in classes, and didn’t have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn’t right in her.”
http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/obama/AnnasBeatnikPeriod.html
The two people who have supplied the most information about Ann Dunham are her two Mercer Island high school friends: Susan Botkin Blake and Maxine Box. The easiest way to understand their prevarications is to analyze the story they tell of Ann’s “visit” to Seattle. There are at least three versions:
Version I
In a March 27, 2007 video interview Blake said:
She came to visit briefly one afternoon in 1961 when Barry was just a few weeks old. We were sitting at my mom’s house one late August afternoon and she had just finished nursing her baby. She was patting him and she went ‘Oh, he pooped.’ She looked at me ‘cause I had two little baby brothers and she handed him to me and said here Botkin, you know how to do this so she handed him out so I changed Barry’s diaper and showed her how to do it, said get used to it, they do this a lot these new babies do[.]
Box last saw her friend in 1961, when she visited Seattle on her way from Honolulu to Massachusetts, where her then-husband was attending Harvard.
Author Michael Patrick Leahy interviewed both women for an article in August 2008:
On at least one occasion, very shortly after the birth of Barack Obama Junior, friends of Stanley Ann Dunham recall her visiting them in Seattle with her new born baby, Barack Obama Junior.
Blake recalls that Dunham, who was calling herself Ann Obama at the time, visited her at her house in Mercer Island during the last week of August 1961.
She left Honolulu just as soon as she had clearance from her doctor to travel with her new baby. He was just 3 weeks old....She was very excited about her new life, and her husband. She was nuts about him, crazy in love. I was under the impression that he had left Honolulu before Barack’s birth; that he had gone to Harvard already for his studies, and that Ann was on her way to join him there.
As with Blake, this visit would be the last time that Box ever saw her high school friend.
Blake’s and Box’s recollections agree with the fable in Dreams; Ann and Obama are madly in love, he is at Harvard, and a distressed wife and child are on their way to be with him. These recollections, however, are simply impossible. In reality, Ann Dunham wasn’t “visiting”; she was living in Seattle and attending school at the University of Washington. Ann couldn’t have been on her way to Harvard because no one, including Barack Obama, Sr., knew anything about Harvard until May of 1962. Yet Blake anchors the date of the visit to late August 1961 by referring to a young baby, “pink and very new,” “3 weeks old”; “I showed her how to do it [change diapers].” If we accept the president’s date of birth as August 4, 1961, then it is impossible for Blake not to be talking about 1961. Finally, how can Blake describe Ann as being “nuts about him, crazy in love,” when Ann had just left Obama Sr. back in Hawaii for good? The marriage (if indeed there was a marriage) didn’t fall apart “a few years later,” as Box stated; it had already fallen apart, as evidenced by Ann and baby moving to Seattle.
Version II
According to David Maraniss in an August 2008 Washington Post article, August 1961 was not the last time Blake and Box saw their friend Ann, as was stated in version I. In March of 2008, Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs discovered that Obama Sr. didn’t learn he was accepted to Harvard until May of 1962. Could this be why Maraniss pins Ann’s “visit” to Seattle in late summer 1962?
Her husband finished his degree, graduating in June 1962 ... Then, before the month was out, he [Obama Sr.] took off, leaving behind his still-teenage wife and namesake child ... Did Ann try to follow him to Cambridge? Her friends from Mercer Island were left with that impression. Susan Botkin [Blake], Maxine Box and John Hunt all remember Ann showing up in Seattle late that summer with little Barry, as her son was called.
“She was on her way from her mother’s house to Boston to be with her husband,” Botkin [Blake] recalled. “[She said] he had transferred to grad school and she was going to join him ... but I remember that afternoon, sitting in my mother’s living room, drinking iced tea and eating sugar cookies. She had her baby and was talking about her husband, and what life held in store for her. She seemed so confident and self-assured and relaxed. She was leaving the next day to fly on to Boston.”
This second version of Ann’s “visit” is as impossible as the first. In late August 1962, Ann was not coming from her mother’s house in Hawaii; she was residing in Seattle. She had been in Seattle for at least a year and certainly had no intentions of “leaving the next day” to see her husband in Boston. Though this second version gets rid of the problem of when Obama Sr. learned of Harvard and when he went there, it is total hogwash.
Version III
Four years after his 2008 article, Maraniss wrote his book, Barack Obama: The Story. The incontrovertible fact that Ann was in Seattle by August of 1961 forced him to change the date of the “visit” back to 1961 while keeping many of the details the same:
Barry was not yet a month old when they left Honolulu in late August 1961 ... And she [Ann] made her way over to Susan Botkin’s mother’s house with the baby and spent an afternoon there ... they sat in the living room, drinking iced tea and eating sugar cookies, as Ann cradled baby Barry ... She looked neither frightened nor intimidated, but rather “so confident and self-assured and relaxed. She nursed him and was burping him, and oh, he pooped, and she handed him to me — ‘Here, Botke.’”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/we_have_been_duped_the_story.html#ixzz2QluANHBw
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/we_have_been_duped_the_story.html
Not just the classmates. The profs, the TAs & the administrators at two different universities wd all have to keep an oath of silence. Not one cd ever say, ‘The transcript shows SADO was in one of my classes which she never attended’, or ‘The transcript shows SADO wasn’t in one of my classes which she completed, & for which she originally received a grade. Who changed the records, & why?’
That’s just too many people, for not even one ever to notice the first two yrs of the transcript had been completely reworked. [Oh, & reworked so as to make Obama’s Dreams narrative out to be a lie. No, the lib profs, etc., wd not have gone along w this.]
Now you need to be able to tell us, which came first? The stories about Mary babysitting for ANNA OBAMA whom a lot of people STILL believe was Stanley Ann Dunham, although her name wasn’t in the Seattle directory;
OR THE U OF WA RECORDS? (Which may NOT have come from the U of WA at all, as there was no provenance with the e-mailed document.
And THEN you need to tell us how Mary, who knew nothing about baby-sitting the baby potus when she was interviewed in late 2008 in Alaska, then suddenly recalls hearing his famous speech in 2004 and reading ‘Dreams’ and then the miracle happens.
I am referring to the internal dynamics of changing the transcript of one of the most famous [in hindsight] students at two major universities. People like Corsi have brought the transcripts to light. If the first two yrs have been totally altered, someone wd have noticed. If the alteration enabled Corsi to pronounce Obama’s Dreams a fabricated lie, someone wd have spoken up. What about this is so hard to comprehend???
You’re right, and I have always maintained it would take a TEAM who were devoted to the research, our group tried to achieve something like that, but working on the web through nothing more than the facility of correspondence and the compilation of a dossier (which we have located on a private site not in the US) and this is the source of much of what I write. There were nine, sometimes up to 12 of us who collected information, read articles, hunted down sources. And none of us did it for a reward or any other reason than looking for kernels of truth in the maze of lies.
That we reached conclusions that are not mainstream as a result, isn’t surprising. Is it?
Has anyone else made any sense of the millions of lies it took to create the myth, and to cover over the cracks that appeared later?
Guess what? I’m going to do myself a huge favour and ignore your idiotic questions from now on. You don’t know where the record came from and you don’t know who sent it. You don’t know if the record, such as it is, isn’t an amalgum of the records of Stanley Ann Dunham from her high school years, Ann S Obama the student from Hawaii, and Anna Obama who may have enrolled at the U of WA.
You’ve got a forged LFBC and from that moment on, they could say he was Santa Claus. I’m not buying anything on face value.
But you can if you want.
Fine. I’ll stick w Corsi & the CCP. They agree on the SADO timeline—the one that blows Obama’s Dreams fairytale out of the water. As soon as Corsi or the CCP reverses themselves on the SADO/Seattle/UoWA timeline, so will I...& not before.
Here is the comment where David erroneously opines that “WND posts a copy of the actual original entry document” and that the course data on the transcript should have been typed.
That is not correct. What WND posted was a late 1960s or early 1970s computer CARD system that would have replaced the 1961-62 system that David would have been familiar with. The course data and Mercer HS transcript data on the WND “original entry document” was obviously computer generated, not typed, and entered onto the pre-formatted card.
David says he says he has “concluded” that the UW record “may” NOT be “credible and accurate” which is a lawyer’s way of saying it has been FORGED.
IMO David has made a clear error in judgment.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2821875/posts?page=85#85
“That is based on the U of W academic record and subsequent events. I have long been a proponent of the argument that the U of W record is credible and accurate. I have intimate familiarity with the UW transcript and academic record system, particularly for the 61-62 academic period. The security system is extensive and sound—it is difficult for me to conceive of how the records might have been penetrated.
“Nonetheless, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that my original view may be in error.
“In the first place, the computer generated report is not the original document—I believe those documents were generated long after the fact from the original entry documents. WND posts a copy of the actual original entry document here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106018
“When a student entered the regular University, a document like this one was generated. The original is on two hole punched paper and it is inserted in a pin ledger binder. The system is designed so that the original is never removed.
“The academic record is to be hand inserted (written) on the face of the original document from quarter to quarter. When a certified transcript or a copy transcript such as the one depicted by WND is required, a copy system is in place to photocopy the entry area on the original and a certificate is stamped on the face of the copy.”
Interesting info. Thank you.
Here is the issue that makes no sense. As it has been explained to me, according to the Mal-Val POV, SADO did all her undergraduate work at UoHI from ‘63 onward. Well what do you know. That timeframe perfectly supports the Dreams fairytale! What a happy coincidence for the Pathological Liar in Chief.
Yet both universities (supposedly) collaborated to produce forged transcripts that destroy Obama’s Dreams fantasy.
Why???
Why wd the libs unnecessarily alter SADO’s transcripts in a way that is so fundamentally damaging to Obama’s credibility?
None of the Mal-Val crowd will answer. Perhaps because there is no answer. It’s just a load of drivel.
Corsi never had a prayer. First, Maraniss wrote that the mother of zero was reported to be living in Seattle, later that same year, Rick Anderson wrote the same, but he didn’t name her. Mary was interviewed about her stolen yard signs in Alaska, and she knew nothing. Charlette Le Fevre sets up a question and answer segment on the Seattle Chat Club site, and has someone named LIEF ask her does she know where Stanley Ann Dunham lived, and Charlette writes back a little later to say that she’s found her. (She found the listing for Anna Obama) and that is followed by the phone call to Mary in Alaska, during which Charlette tells Mary she babysat the potus, and Mary says, yes, I remember, her name was Anna, and I babysat for her when my own daughter, who was born in July 1959 was 18 months old...which statement Charlette then finagles into it all happened during the Spring of 1962, which makes Mary sound like a fool who doesn’t know how old her daughter was. I’ve posted that article from Charlette and the chat-club set-up so many times, I know it almost word for word. It’s also posted a little way back on this thread, but people who don’t want to know, only read headlines.
Here’s another one:
From Capitol Hill to Capitol Hill
Confirmation that Barack Obama lived on Capitol Hill - Seattle
by Charlette LeFevre
1/6/09
Very little has been written about President Barack Obama¹s mother Stanley Ann Dunham¹s time here in Seattle. Brief articles and even briefer accounts from schoolmates make the person who was the ³most influential² person in Barack¹s life all the more intriguing. A single mother who enrolled in the University of Washington in 1961 and 1962 extension program she likely came across many social prejudices in the predominantly all white campus.
Perhaps Anna Obama felt more at ease in the diverse neighborhood of Capitol Hill which housed many students from the neighboring colleges. Recently located was a listing for Stanley Ann Obama in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library : “Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th av E apt. 2”
There is now no denying the fact that the U.S¹s next president had his first residence here in Capitol Hill Seattle albeit as a diapered infant. The apartment house was in the 500 block of 13th Ave. East between Republican and Mercer but no longer exists.
In its place is ³The Edge² apartments recently known as the ³Somerset Apartments². The property also aligns with ³Capitol Park Apartments² owned by Seattle Housing Authority. This 1937 photo of the 516 apartment house shows a three story, 21 room house. Stanley Ann Obama and an infant Barack Obama it is believed [now confimred] lived on the second floor.
[Note, 9/3/09: this was the same area were Bruce Lee lived and was also attending the University of Washington at the same time as Ann Obama.]
So, if your in the area, drive by and take a look at the neighborhood and when you pass by an infant, stop and say hello, you never know, these kids could grow up to be the next President of the United States.
The house photo was provided by: Washington State Archives, Puget Sound Branch, King County Assessor Property Record Card collection photograph (1937).
Many thanks Philip Lipson Libarian, to Leif for asking the question, Steve on the 9th floor of the Seattle Public Library, Helen and Don of Seattle Housing Authority and Midori Okazaki of Washington State Archives.
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But there’s another problem, one of a countless number, although ‘they’ say a record of ‘her’ attendance at the U of WA has been found, it starts in September 1961. And THAT gave rise to the ‘explanation’ that the child Mary baby-sat must have been seven months old.
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