[usmcobra]

Start the thread with the admission that the Federal Govt. has usurped almost all power in the country. Starting there and taking secession off the table, how do you propose the correct this imbalance without bloodshed? You see I don't think you have a plan. Tell me how the R's are going to suddenly fix everything.

For all of our faults we secessionists at least HAVE A PLAN.

The Problem is your plan commits the original sin of the south, secession without any chance of reconciliation, debate or even citizen participation.

I submit to you that unless you have those things as part of your plans, you will have the same as in 1865.

Perhaps even worse, you could have nuclear waste lands in those states that secede.

Maybe covering the WHOLE UNITED STATES, Are you prepared for that?

[central_va]

Perhaps even worse, you could have nuclear waste lands in those states that secede.

I'll try to slow down so your can take it in

Repeat after me slowly: Secession does not equate to war, it only equates to war to the Federalist, not the leaving[seceding] party[state(s)]. The last thing the leaving state(s) want is a war.

Repeat 5 times until it penetrates.