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To: Non-Sequitur
Japan started a war. Japan got it's ass kicked

By this analogy then you are acknowledging that the South was a sovereign nation. Lincoln invaded sovereign nation, how nice. A sovereign nation that posed no military threat, Ft Sumter give me a break. A nation that tried to negotiated with the US but was rebuffed. They "didn't do it right" so f em, they are going down.

257 posted on 05/08/2009 4:30:10 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: central_va

You are being disingenuous when you say Ft. Sumter was the only federal asset that the confederates seized.

Every piece of military hardware south of the Mason Dixon line that belonged to the United States was seized by the confederates. I’m sure you will blithely justify it as some sort of recollection of tax revenue by the confederates for years of tariffs on cotton no doubt.

Or better yet some sort of justified thievery based upon self-preservation for a “nation” that never needed to be created in the first place.


259 posted on 05/08/2009 4:53:36 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: central_va
Lincoln invaded sovereign nation, how nice.

"The solution devised by Lincoln triggered a war that would kill seven hundred thousand Americans. Advised by his top military commanders that an incoming ship would be considered a threat to Confederates and would prompt an attack, Lincoln deliberately sent a ship of food provisions as well as additional armed soldiers to Fort Sumter, South Carolina. The Confederates fell for the ploy and fired the first shot. Lincoln responded by sending armed warships and deployed a total of seventy-five thousand troops to invade all of the Southern states."

"His plan, however, did not go unnoticed. Northern newspapers were quick to inform the public that Lincoln had instigated the Fort Sumter incident. The Jersey City American Standard wrote, “there is a madness and ruthlessness” in Lincoln “which is astounding . . . this unarmed vessel . . . is a mere decoy to draw the first fire from the people of the South, which act by the pre-determination of the government is to be the pretext for letting loose the horrors of war.” The Providence Daily Post also wrote, “Mr. Lincoln saw an opportunity to inaugurate civil war without appearing in the character of an aggressor.” These headlines and stories were replicated by other newspapers in the North. Lincoln’s plan to bring the country into a war was no longer a hidden political strategy."

It has been know since shortly after Sumter that Lincoln instigated the incident with full intent to start a shooting war but there are those yankee diehards/blowhards here on FR that will live in a state of denial until they draw their last breath.

260 posted on 05/08/2009 4:56:13 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: central_va
By this analogy then you are acknowledging that the South was a sovereign nation.

No, by this analogy I'm acknowledging that those who choose to start wars, be they sovereign nations or rebellious parts of a single country, have nobody to blame but themselves if those wars don't turn out quite like they had planned.

Lincoln invaded sovereign nation, how nice. A sovereign nation that posed no military threat...

Even it the South had been a sovereign nation, it was a sovereign nation that chose to start a war with another sovereign nation. And having decided on war, they alone were responsible for keeping that war out of their territory. They failed. Miserably.

Ft Sumter give me a break. A nation that tried to negotiated with the US but was rebuffed.

And then chose war to get their way. Turns out to be a mighty bad decision on their part. You gained Sumter and lost your chance for independence. Hope it was worth it.

Oh, and delivering ultimatums does not constitute 'negotiating'.

They "didn't do it right" so f em, they are going down.

If by 'not doing it right' means losing their war, then yeah. They did go down. Big time.

269 posted on 05/08/2009 5:50:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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