V-shaped UFOs in NM photos

examiner ^ | January 16 2009

[JoeProBono]

CHAMA, NM - Several meandering V-shaped UFOs near a mountain slope here turned up on a woman's digital photos. Three photos shot with a 21 megapixel camera caught multiple crafts approaching in the first frame, one craft in frame two moving close to the ground while the others take positions in the sky, and then frame three shows all of the crafts moving out of the area.

[Quix]

My seDiments as well.

And, I have no reason to avoid taking it as it was offered.

I suspect that the Aztec 2009 UFO Symposium will have some interesting new stuff.

I hope they get some better presenters. Last I checked, I wasn’t impressed. A bunch of NEW AGE hogwash.

[Quix]

Who knows if it’s ours or ‘theirs.’

My relative asserted that we’d somewhat back-engineered from crashed vehicles and somewhat been TAUGHT by one or more ‘races’ of ET’s to build our own fleet.

And, others have asserted that half the abductions are by ET’s and half by the Oligarchy.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

/bkmark for later

[Quix]

Thanks for the bump.

[B-Chan]

You’re right. In the the late ‘80s/early ‘90s I decided to “get to the bottom” of the whole UFO thing, and conducted a thorough search (as thorough as one could be in those pre-Web days) of all available literature on the UFO phenomenon. My conclusion was that the phenomenon was real — in other words, that it represented credible people seeing actual objects in the sky — in about 10% of the cases.

The stories and evidence behind that 10% were impressive. I found the other 90% of the cases to be a mixture of honest misidentifications, the sermonizing of New Age/pagan/hippie-type religious believers, delusions of drug users and the mentally ill, Nazi power fantasies, Holy Roller visions, pranks, and fiction written by sexual perverts. Surprisingly, I found that among outspoken UFO “believers”, out-and-out frauds and con artists were relatively rare.

Among the hundreds of UFO incidents I researched, three cases stood out from all the others: the McMinville, Oregon case, the Cash-Landrum / FM-1960 case, and of course Roswell. (The unsolved disappearances in the Moncla/Kinross and Frederick Valentich incidents also stand out as genuine UFO-related tragedies, but aircraft crash every day for all kinds of reasons, and for all I know these two incidents may have been the result of regrettable, but prosaic causes.)

Cash-Landrum I found (and find) to be particularly intriguing... but since I’m from Texas, that’s hardly a surprise. It’s a shame that camera phones weren’t around back then. I guess we’ll never know what really happened to those three people on that lonely Texas farm road.

[B-Chan]

evidence that would stand up in a court of law

Hardly the highest of standards. People are often convicted of crimes on the basis of testimony alone.

[Quix]

Well put.

Quite so.

Would you be willing to track down the RC official at the Vatican mentioned by Dr Mack in part 4?

I’d love to know more about him and what he’s saying.

[B-Chan]

I wish! However, as a dad and a husband I have no time for such hobbies as UFO research these days. On most days, in fact, I wouldn’t look up if a saucer landed in my front yard! Besides, no matter what people are seeing in the skies (my guess: hyper-advanced aerospace vehicles operated by shadowy quasi-governmental entities far above Top Secret), there’s nothing I can do to help or hinder the quest for identification. Maybe this is the year the Powers That Be make their move — or the Brave Rebels finally reveal the Truth! Until then, I always enjoy hearing UFO lore, so keep up the good work.

[Quix]

NO SWEAT.

THANKS THANKS.

[Quix]

Sent to execution on such basis.

However,

We know that most naysayers are

DEATHLY AFRAID THEY’D CATCH A DEATH OF SANITY

were they to accept credible testimony of experienced professional pilots, military types etc. regarding such things.

[stockpirate]

Joe, it is what is refered to as rods, not UFO’s. They did a show on the history channel about this very thing.

[JoeProBono]

[JoeProBono]

[happinesswithoutpeace]

I always found this one interesting, for a variety of reasons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Tehran_UFO_Incident

[Quix]

I think that’s a classic case, too.

Lots of hard specifics to key in on once all the data was collected.

[Quix]

Here’s a recent interesting Russian case . . .

Seems to me these sorts are becoming more frequent.

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1881885.php

Good illustration re the ‘laser’ to the ground.

[Quix]

Astronaut sightings 101

http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/ufo-sightings-astronauts

Re:

Major Gordon Cooper
Donald Slayton
Major Robert White
Joseph A. Walker
Commander Eugene Cernan
Ed White & James McDivitt
James Lovell and Frank Borman
Neil Armstrong & Edwin Aldrin
Maurice Chatelain
Scott Carpenter

Of course, I realize that the naysayers will laugh their heads off because the above are so

—ignorant
—uneducated
—uninformed
—unscientific
—lack engineering understanding
—poorly trained
—in-experienced
—clueless generally
—not tops in their field
—dumb & stupid
—unfamiliar with flying machines of any type
—hicks with no modern understanding of much of anything

. . .

. . .

/sar

[Quix]

Compilation of some of the best UFO threads:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread143130/pg1

[JoJo Gunn]

You can look here for a goodly portion of the purported flying saucers captured on film over the decades:

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp

And as for this:

...Only a very small number of "nobodies" debunk this stuff. The preponderance of the best evidence and the most intellectual writings tend to support the existence of those ETs.

The mind reels.

[JoJo Gunn]

The sky isn't so big when you reach our atmosphere. And I've said a zillion times that in all these years since cameras are within reach of the masses that the odds are in our favor to have captured at least one good image (or a set), but four decades after our going to the Moon we're relegated to finding "evidence" on YouTube. I don't know about you, but goofy grainy videos complete with Casio keyboard sound created by some Junior High acne farmer do not convince me.

....but honestly, if these are aliens do you really think they are going to be buzzing neighborhoods, or sticking around to be photographed in the first place?

According to the True Believers, they land, they hover, they dart back and forth, they disappear almost immediately (though they never create a sonic boom)....

My mind has always been open to the possibility. It's just that the Movement is populated either by kooks or book sellers, and all that's ever offered as "proof" are ill-defined blobs of light* or whatever lucid dream crap is uttered by all the lonely shut-ins who jam Art Bell's phone lines.

*(nobody, but nobody ever offers the camera originals to the public. The subject of this very thread is a shining example. The wild claim is made and then the claimant is captured and taken back to the rubber room, never to be heard from again).