V-shaped UFOs in NM photos

examiner ^ | January 16 2009

[JoeProBono]

CHAMA, NM - Several meandering V-shaped UFOs near a mountain slope here turned up on a woman's digital photos. Three photos shot with a 21 megapixel camera caught multiple crafts approaching in the first frame, one craft in frame two moving close to the ground while the others take positions in the sky, and then frame three shows all of the crafts moving out of the area.

[steve86]

HE COULD HAVE LANDED HIS AIRLINER ON TOP OF THE UFO—IT WAS THAT BIG.

Would have made a hell of a Youtube video.

[JoJo Gunn]

“…unless the Defense Department proves us otherwise, it was probably some form of alien spacecraft.” Former Governor, Fife Symington, CNN interview on Phoenix Lights, 3/21/07

That's one helluva scientific pronouncement from a politician. 

[Star Traveler]

CNN Interview of the Governor...

Fife Symington describes seeing Phoenix Lights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg6cGCAB2Ck

He’s only one person, but there are many people who have reported it and have been interviewed — quite large numbers of them...

[JoJo Gunn]

Interesting and from a very qualified witness and one who was aware, at the time — being Governor, then — of how big of a sighting this was...

What makes a politician "highly qualified"? 

[Star Traveler]

You said — “That’s one helluva scientific pronouncement from a politician.”

Not only a politician, but the Governor of the state at the time (and discounted it then because he didn’t want to cause panic, but he personally saw it).

So, a politician, the Governor, a witness of it, a pilot, and a former Air Force Officer...

Who knows what investigation that they did without the public knowing it, at the time, since he was the Governor (and didn’t want to panic people, as he said)...

[Quix]

Out of a ton of uninformed, clueless assertions . . . that has to be the most or near the most off the wall I’ve ever seen.

Either there’s no reading comprehension of the material presented above . . . or the denseness of the evaluative skills is too thick to manage the job successfully . . . or . . . the government is paying for the dismissive derisive hogwash . . .

or the personality is so incredibly hostile to the hole idea that every idiotic postulation possible has to be trotted out rather than just accept even 1/25th of the reports as the least bit valid.

the assertion in the post I’m replying to is absolutely ignorant.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Quix]

A city council woman of Phoenix did investigate.

Quite responsibly. She did not appreciate the run around she got from government folks.

[Star Traveler]

You asked — What makes a politician “highly qualified”?

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Well..., for one thing, since it’s a Governor, who at the time didn’t want to admit what he saw and knew (then), that shows that he was “qualified” in terms of not having an “agenda” to promote such sightings and make it out to be a real UFO sighting. So, the first kind of “qualification” is not wanting to really admit to the public what he already knew at the time — but later admitted when he knew his statements wouldn’t carry the kind of authority that could cause panic (as he said he didn’t want to cause). There’s that kind of “qualification”.

Then another kind of qualification would be as a direct witness, not just reporting what he heard from others. He said (to a reporter), something to the effect that if he had been standing there, seeing it that night, it would have been amazing (I don’t have the right quote, but it’s something close to that...). So, the qualification as a normal witness, seeing the thing in the sky for himself.

Then, another kind of qualification would be the kind from comes from being a pilot and having good observational skills that would come from that and the training that goes into being a pilot.

He said of that — “I’m a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I’ve ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people. I don’t know why people would ridicule it.”

And then, being an Air Force Officer gives one training, too, in being able to observe things like this and make accurate reports.

I would say that he makes a better witness in something like this than one is going to get in most cases, involving random people out there, simply happening to be there and seeing something. It’s not too often that you would get the caliber of witness that you would have here...

Besides, he’s a Republican... LOL...

[RckyRaCoCo]

several reports of two round objects which seemed to detach from the larger “V” shaped object

I remember seeing something similar back in the mid 80's. I just got off of work(second shift)and was going to get my mail(apt. complex), looked up and saw a group of orange lights in a V shape(very large)go slowly overhead with 2 smaller lights maneuvering in back. The 2 lights joined the V shape, the whole object appeared to bank left and then took off like bat out of...towards the SSW(my apt was in Anaheim).

Cannot remember the exact year, but do remember the old Sci-Fi series -V-(ironically)was airing about that time. BTW, I called LA TRACON(seeing as the path the, whatever it was, was heading when it sped off was near the flightpath for night time LAX departures)asked them if they had anyone else report anything similar(heh, probably thought I was drunk)said he had not, but took the information.

[JoJo Gunn]

Sometimes folks exposing their ignorance of the topic and the realities involved with reporting on the topic

gets embarrassing . . . for them.

Researching better could, for normal folks with well functioning synapses, lessen such embarrassment.

Sigh.

With all due respect, Quix, you're a certified fringie who couldn't write his way to the Thorazine counter. You never discuss anything on your own, you never offer reasoned and rational counterpoints to anything that anyone else says, but granted, you do have a talent for derailing every thread you appear on with crap culled from kook sources like ATS and Art Bell. This thread is not about them, but you have needlessly, and childishly, tripled it's length by posting so much nonsense about the Phoenix lights.

But hugs and kisses all the same, Professor. 

[Star Traveler]

You’re mixing up one set of sightings which are more recent and may have to do with flares, with the sighting that happened back when Symington was the Governor and I think it was March 13, 1997.

The article you’re talking about is regarding a 2008 report. That is something completely different.

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Mind you, I’m not talking about all sorts of UFO reports in general, but about this specific one that did catch my attention...

[Quix]

Wellllllllll, toots . . . have pondered more heavily in the shower . . .

You’re a reasonably bright person as evidenced by your home page and occasionally in some of your postings.

You’re far too bright for some of the idiotic, off the wall, absurd-to-the-max stuff you’ve just posted above.

That doesn’t leave too many options.

1. Either your fear or ego or some such driven bias is soooooooooooooo intensely overwhelming that it clouds your thinking down about 30-50 IQ points. That’s highly unlikely.

2. You’re a paid government disinformation shill. You know what you write is absurd but it’s some extra cash.

That’s the only thing that makes sense any more.

I mean the assertions are on the order of STUPID-TO-THE-MAX that the Air-Force’s assertion were around the 60th or some such anniversary of Roswell . . .

The Air Force insisted that the Roswell ET’s were dropped dummies from “PROJECT MOGAL.”

When actually there were NO SUCH DUMMIES DROPPED UNTIL 5 YEARS

AFTER

ROSWELL.

TERMINALLY STUPID. ABSOLUTELY ABJECT IGNORANT STUPID.

And the Air Force was insulting to the max to expect that citizens would swallow that unmitigated hogwash.

That’s the same level of stupid assertions I see repeatedly above your screen name.

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, no thanks.

We’re not that stupid.

But I hope you get paid well for your insults. It must be demeaning of the woman in your mirror for you to have to write them.

[JoJo Gunn]

Like I said, it should've been a worldwide event.

I've been around a while, have seen my share of episodes of mass hysteria. The mid '70's was the last I paid any serious attention to any of it, though. I personally know of a man who claimed to have shot BigFoot point blank with a sawed-off. He lived, as the crow flies, only a couple of miles away from me. In all the years that I lived in that particular hollow, I never saw or heard or smelled anything remotely like BigFoot.

And I've never seen anything like the flying saucer crowd claims to see, and I love looking at the night sky. Always have.

That said, let's get the thread back on track. Let's take a look at the "credibility" of the source:

Roger Marsh is a UFO writer, author, playwright and independent filmmaker. He is director of communications for both the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), and ufologist Stan Gordon. As Tremont Avenue Productions, he produces InCahoots.TV, stories of passion, resource and mystery.

[Quix]

Very interesting.

Thanks.

Did you have any inexplicable emotional, or emotional/spiritual sensations, impressions at the time?

[Quix]

In a way, I’m increasingly appreciative of such ignorant assertions.

They help make that perspective clearly seen to be the absurdity-to-the max that it is.

[Quix]

Evidently you also have not clue one about

“mass hysteria!”

LOL.

[Star Traveler]

Here’s a combination video of a Fox TV News and MSNBC TV News program...

Phoenix lights UFO report on US news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NRA5iA_xrw

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So far, I’ve taken newspaper accounts and quotes, a couple of CNN interviews, Fox News Interviews, MSNBC TV News interviews...

That should be a pretty good “spread” of news media information about the event. And they’ve interviewed the Governor of the state, a doctor who happened to witness it, also referencing other witnesses (in the news accounts) as lawyers, air traffic controller, law enforcement officers, plus other citizens... (one report was saying that up to around 10,000 people saw it in the state...).

I would say that there was some kind of a very significant event there...

[JoJo Gunn]

Either your fear or ego or some such driven bias is soooooooooooooo intensely overwhelming that it clouds your thinking down about 30-50 IQ points. That’s highly unlikely.

How very interesting. Why, just a few weeks back I encountered a fringe kook who said that people who didn't believe in flying saucers were terrified! I kid you not. But I'll have to give you, with prejudice*, a pass since you said in my case it's highly unlikely.

*Really, all you True Believers need to get a new shtick. Critical thinking is a sign of fear? That's as horrifically stupid as anything a Gorebot could say.

And Quix, there's absolutely positively no question that the Government is our Enemy. But flying saucers? In 60 plus years the space aliens haven't come to tan our hides over keeping one of their own in captivity and forcing Oriental music and strawberry ice cream on it?

So, back to the original subject of this thread, which is likely birds in the distance which some huckster is trying to shop as a flying saucer.

AND: 

Say goodnight, please.

[Star Traveler]

You said — “And I’ve never seen anything like the flying saucer crowd claims to see, and I love looking at the night sky.”

And neither have I seen anything like that, at any time of my life. And I haven’t been abducted by aliens either.

But, I don’t discount that thousands of people in the state of Arizona did see something that was an object that they all thought was completely out of the normal experience of ordinary things that are in the sky — plus the former Governor of that state saying —

“I’m a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I’ve ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people. I don’t know why people would ridicule it.”

And — (CNN November 9, 2007) — In 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality. I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak ... this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky. As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I’d ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don’t fly in formation. —Fife Symington III

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That is not very easily dismissed as nothing but mass hysteria, or people out late at the bar drinking or whatever... LOL...