Just Say NO to Mcbama and Ocain! [thread left up as a pinata, rules suspended-Jim]

Gentlewood Journal ^ | 10-27-2008 | Dan Jacobson

[MNSlim]

Being Constitutionally eligible per age and birthright is not a rational qualification for any individual to occupy the office.

Good luck with leading that Chuck Baldwin bandwagon. I’m going out Tuesday and ENTHUSIASTICALLY voting for the McCain/Palin ticket.

And I’m not saying sorry.

Take care friend. Hopefully you and I can join in mutual disdain for an insufficiently conservative President McCain administration the next four years. I think we can forge an alliance on that one. I just want that outcome. I really don’t wish to be butchered by Wahabbist murder monkeys anytime soon.

[MNSlim]

We'll never have another Reagan as long as we have Liberals controlling the GOP as we do today. They have enablers called complacent voters who are willing to kick at Lucy's football yet again like a Good Old Charlie Brown Republican is expected to do. Maybe in 2012 Lucy wont yank it away. She'll promise again and Charlie Brown Republicans will kick yet again. Reagan's kind today is much too right wing nutter for their liking or so they are told to say, think, and vote.

I remember guys like Richard Viguere savaging Reagan for not being conservative enough. I can only imagine the outrage if there existed a far right blogosphere in 1985 to monitor the Gipper's negotiations with Tip O'Neill.

It's easy to romanticize the man and the era given twenty eight years of time and forgetfulness.

I was pretty young but I DO remember Reagan saying about the all or nothing purists who decried his dealings with O'Neill: "If I can get 80% of what I want ... well ... that's a pretty good deal."

I think 51% is a good deal. If the alternative is nothing.

By the way - go to the ACU website and check out the ratings of GOP Senators like Hatfield, Chafee, Packwood, Specter, Cohen etc. in the 1980s. You think we have RINOs now???

[cva66snipe]

I really don’t wish to be butchered by Wahabbist murder monkeys anytime soon.

Oh them? No problem you can see them coming. That is the visible enemy you have been taught to look out for, recognize, and react to. You'll do fine keeping them away.

It's the nice comfortable relaxing secure feeling warm water a person has to worry about. Jump out before it's too late. I think you know what I mean.

In case not though. I understand a frog will literally let you boil it to death by slowly increasing the heat as it lays in the water. It keeps adapting itself to the rising temps till it's just too darn late. :>} Much like the incremental Socialism and Marxism becoming prevalent in both parties of today. Both parties voters are far too relaxed with it. They are comfortable in their parties own little pool to worry too much. When they finally realize what is happening to them? Well it will just be too darn late :>{

That is the enemies you should really fear. They dwell amongst us daily in public offices. We see them in the nightly news and in the papers and no one notices them as being the Cookers of the Toads. Knee Deep Knee Deep...

[cva66snipe]

Reagan had an ability that made him what no POTUS since has been which was a true leader of all the nation. Reagan was the second and third POTUS election I voted in. If Reagan believed in something he fought for it. He fought the likes of O'Neil and if Tip didn't see it his way he tried another approach that more often than not worked. He took that issue to the people to pressure congress.

For a man who faced a DEM Majorities he did well. So what is W's excuse? I imagine Reagan would have loved a GOP two house majority. I would say a lot more would have been accomplished on the Conservative end. The GOP has squandered a lifetime of oppertunities after Reagan set the course back to a right path. 1989 Poppy quickly began dismantling the legacy Reagan built. The 1994 elections Conservative wins was soon to be the 1996 NEOCON takeover. Explain Bob Dole winning the primaries after Conservatives won 1994 seats if I'm not right on that. Lott was cutting more bad deals with DEMs than Mr Haney on Green Acres. Dole couldn't resist having two Liberal NEOCONs run the Convention agenda and speeches and for that he lost the election. The Conservative party stayed home. The NEOCON Party lost.

For six years Bill Clinton faced a GOP two house majority and got much of his agenda by them including finsihing the military gutting started by Poppy. Bush JR had what six years majority and was cutting deals with Teddy from day one. For 12 years in what should have been substancial gains the GOP rolled over and played dead. It's amazing. As much as I dislike Ted Kennedy despite the 1994 elections he has remained the functional Senate Majority Leader for as long as I can remember and I was alive when he first became a senator. Next will be Chris Dodd to take his place.

Reagan wasn't perfect but blast it at least Reagan fought the fight. Do you not find it just the least bit odd that hardly any of Reagan's team made it to POPPY's team or Juniors? Understand why? Because Poppy was from the Ford era. Two very opposite sides of the GOP. Ford was more like Jimmy Carter than anything else. Strange enough he and Carter became friends just like Poppy and Slick. Da Bush's have purposely distanced themselves from everything Reagan. Da Bush's was Reagan's worst mistake I'm afraid.

As for the names you listed? Hey what can I say. When the first USSC vacancy came up some in here were actually rooting for Orin Hatch. A fine Conservative LOL.

[MNSlim]

So: What is your over/under prediction on Chuck Baldwin's vote total this Tuesday?

Express it, if you will, in a mathematical relationship to Bob Barr's Libertarian Party tally. For example: .7 Barr or 3.1 Barr.

I'm interested in knowing how you feel about the prospects of your candidate in terms of groundswell votes cast. Go on record.

I'm predicting 205,000 out of 122 million cast. Barr will get the usual LP 750,000.

[MNSlim]

LOL. I just checked 2004. Between Bednarek and Peroutka, the Losertarians and Reform Party misfits cast a total of 530,000 votes. Out of 122 million. Not really a Lincolesque political movement IMO.

I predict Chuck Baldwin garners 95,000 for the Reform Party stalwarts this time around. Five figures. Ouch.

I will guess 225,000 ballots cast for the personality challenged Barr.

This is not going to be a boffo year for third party types. Too much at stake.

[cva66snipe]

Don't know. I know I'm usually the only CP voter {my wife also when she can} in my precinct. But I live in a rural area though. But that may change this time. While out and about this spring before the primaries {I live in Conservative East Tennessee BTW} I saw no Thompson yard signs. Who's yard signs did I see the most of? I'm not lying when I say it was Ron Paul signs I saw the most of. Not smaller and cheaper ones either and they were in persons actual yards. Nashville and Memphis it may have been quite different.

People are getting fed up in the heartland areas. So fed up that a DEM governor brought relief when compared to the RINO he replaced. The DEM a Liberal is far more Conservative than our former two term RINO governor {whom Bush said did a fine job with Universal Health Care after getting his endorsement in 2000} who caused a taxpayer revolt. He nearly put the state of Tennessee in bankruptcy and like Bush made the GOP ineffective because of some Republicans warped sense of political loyalties.

As for Barr? Too bad he got re-districted out of office. He didn't move his residence as some claim redistricting put him away from long time supporters. Barr too was a good fighter. Had Fred Thompson and Ted Stevens listened to him we may have been spared two years of Willard. Barr had him and Barr worked his tail off as a House Manager doing so. I may not agree with some of his positions but I certainly respect him. I could vote for him as a second choice.

Vote for one who best holds the largest portion of your beliefs is my way and the way the Founders intended for it to be.

If McCain looses it will be because he and the GOP failed to learn from the mistakes of the past like the 1992, 1996 elections and almost the 2000 and 2004 as well. I think it was Gerald Ford who when referring to Conservatives and the GOP said "Where else can they go" Ford was a looser.

[MNSlim]

For six years Bill Clinton faced a GOP two house majority and got much of his agenda by them including finsihing the military gutting started by Poppy. Bush JR had what six years majority and was cutting deals with Teddy from day one. For 12 years in what should have been substancial gains the GOP rolled over and played dead. It's amazing. As much as I dislike Ted Kennedy despite the 1994 elections he has remained the functional Senate Majority Leader for as long as I can remember and I was alive when he first became a senator. Next will be Chris Dodd to take his place.

You have a clueless revisionist history. Clinton achieved nothing legislatively but welfare reform and some trade pacts won by the Pubbies. All his "victories" were in abusive regulatory fiat and executive orders.

If you recall, Jim Jeffords jumped party 120 days into W's tenure negating any Congressional GOP majority. He did NOT have a functional GOP Congressional majority for six years as you state. Then, in his eighth month in office, came the little inconvenience we've come to know as 9/11.

If you don't think that attack, and W's sacred obligation to ensure it was not repeated, took primary import for the duration of his tenure then we have nothing more to discuss.

George W. Bush will be judged by history as one of our greatest Presidents. He won most EVERY political battle at which he engaged and kept our asses alive for seven years against a lethal ambush enemy. He essentially re-engineered all of our military and intelligence institutions under duress.

Bush was presented with unsavory political/policy tradeoffs but that's what people tasked with life and death power/obligations have to do. His primary job was being Commander in Chief and he couldn't squander necessary political capital being "Conservative in Chief" when he had to hold the hands of grieving loved ones of all political stripes who lost their child/brother/sister/mother/father in military operations he ordered.

Unlike Bill Clinton I think George W. Bush sleeps at night secure in his duty and obligation.

Please get over your Poppa/Junior grievance. W is not his Dad. His father was a hero and patriot but like Dole he wasn't willing to get down in the gutter with the Clinton thugs. George W is a street fighter who WINS.

[cva66snipe]

W is worse than Poppy. Look. there is but one way to go to war. As Liberal A man as FDR was even he understood what war meant. Bush nor his dad however understood the moral implications of doing such. Was is an absolute act. Is is a punishment upon a nation Period. It is done with extreme prejudice Period. It is not done to reward a people who allowed a tyrant dictator and will now allow far far wore {an Islamic Cleric} to rule them Period. How many men and women will die in the hands of the new technology fully equipped Iraqi military once the Clerics take over? Saddam was a thug. But there were and still are far worse ones. Name me the Iraqi who flew a plane on 9/11. Name me even one Iraqi hijacker. What were the nations again? Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and others. We had 100% reason to level Yemen but Mr Global Trade refused.

The war in Iraq become a nation building project before the first shot was fired in in doing so BUSH LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES on that very matter. The second Bush/Gore debate is proof of it. He blasted Clinton/Gore for it saying he was not for nation building then months later did the same exact thing.

Bush lost my support on Iraq on about the third day when it was obvious to anyone with two functional brain cells he intended to leave Iraq's infrastructure intact. As a result a war that should have been months will be over a decade. Baghdad Bob made Bush look a fool. It was not cute and it was not funny. Bush wanted a media parade war.

The war in Iraq should have been measured in months namely about 12 and complete and total destruction of Iraq to where it never again would or could be a threat. That is war. Neither Bush had the stomach nor political will to do so. Had they done so Iran would not be testing us.

Remember what I said about Fords Failures? That's just who Junior brought in too. Rummy was one of the most pathetic Sec of Def to serve. I know as I saw his mess under Ford. Rummy was the Father of the Hollow Carter Military. It was running on empty when Carter took over and except for the nomination of SECNAV Hildigo by Carter things did not improve till Reagan took office. Hildigo however did begin the process of restoring our Navy to what it was supposed to be. I know as I was active duty three months under Ford and three years nine months under Carter. I saw both presidents military. I can not speak for other services but the Navy in late 1979 started a change for the better.

You would not like my thoughts on war. You would call me a beast and likely a barbarian. Bush lost the rest of what moral authority he had to be CIC when he sat on his hands while good United States Servicemen were Court Martialed for political correctness reasons for actions under fire against an enemy out of uniform in most cases. You train men to kill then damnit don't scold or punish them for doing so in war. I am 1000% sick of his you are with us or the terrorist B.S. he used to push unrelated policy as well namely FTTA.

I am not anti-war myself but I do not support the policies of war as set forth by Lyndon Baines Johnson and four Republican Presidents have followed. How much more clear can I be on that matter? Bless strong military leaders like Patton, Sherman, McArthur, Forrest. and others who knew what it took to win and yes bless the CIC's with the wisdom to allow them to actually do their jobs.

I have no use for those who yell war and send troops into it then lay down rules for fools conditions to restrict our troops capabilities. Bush needed to be called on the carpet by GOP congressional leadership for his Iraq policy. Where the hell were they? Our troops should be home not on third and fourth deployments. How can you defend what can not be defended? Supporting our troops means giving them the equipment and a military mission not a Bush's Habitat for Humanity field Office.P> If Bush wants Iraq re-built fine. Let him and Jimmy Carter take their own money and hire their own crew. Not on my dime.

BTW Executive Orders can not become law when congress acts. Congress had the authority and duty to stop Clinton.

FDR took us to a World War on two paragraphs declaring such. Bush took us to war on pages of U.N. Resolutions Butt Wipe paper. Understand the difference yet? That alone should show you the depths to which our nation has fallen.

[E. Cartman]

McCain emerged from the GOP Primary as victor. That’s the fact.

Only with Huckabubba's pulling a lot of creepy sh*t. I've never been an accomplice in self-abasement before. I won't do it now. By supporting a man as twisted as McCain (even if he is the "conservative" candidate), who betrayed conservatives always to his benefit, I reenforce this pathological behaviour. When in doubt, always return to first principles; and it's impossible to be politically healthy without acting in a psychologically healthy way first.

Your rational options, in late October 2008, is a scenario with either John McCain or Barak Obama leveraging the power of the most important political office on earth.

The GOP has been playing that same song for too long, for every election since Bush-41 first ran against Michael Dukakis, and yet despite the GOP's promises to reform itself after each election, it continued its leftward slither. IOW, they cried "Wolf!" too many times now.

I have never voted for a socialist of any party. I won't vote for the socialist Obama nor will I vote for the socialist McCain.

Here I stand. I can do no other.

[AC-130 Gunship]

Snipe, I've perused your posting THE truth and opinion with respect to a number of past policy issues and matters - the least of all, the observation of GW's pathetic FUBARing and napalming of the the GOP and conservatism, while conjuring a clearly contrived war - has made me nod...nod...and nod. Thank you.

George W. Bush? IMO - the worst President ever in our lifetime - and that includes the incompetent, naive Carter, and POS reptilian Klintoon. Dubya's bamboozled conservatives and betrayed principle and America to the nth degree. Thanks to him and his NWO puppetmeisters' agenda, we just may have ourselves a Marxist President.

[Darksheare]

Unjust wars?
What ‘unjust wars’?
State for us just what wars we are paying for that are ‘unjust’.

[cva66snipe]

Thanks. I think Bush, Carter, Clinton, and LBJ share a four way tie award of worse POTUS in many years and are most likely among the top worse 5 ever. Each did their own damage either through arrogance, ignorance, or both. They simply are/were too much alike on too many issues including WAR policy. Add to that Ford of whom Da Bush's adapted much of their foreign and military policy after. The same Republican failed policy makers were brought in to run the military.

Da Bush's neither one was ever Conservative yet many in hear helped create the George W Bush is a Conservative myth. A few of them finally woke up. Some woke up but still will not stand up. Bush used the WOT in such a way that if Clinton had done it they would have been screaming Impeach him for his tyranny. Clinton sure as the devil would have been questioned. Another Marxist type rule. Do not question POTUS in time of war. It is UnAmerican not to question.

Ford and Da Bush's LOWERED the standards of what is expected in the GOP. Bush JR ruined many good Conservatives chances for house and senate seats to make way for giving long time friends and thinkalikes political favors. RINO Lamar Alexander is a good example. Two much better choices never stood a chance because before Fred Thompson had barely announced retirement a White House release endorsed Alexander. We lost a chance at having a proved Conservative former House Manager in the senate thanks to that.

Bush split the GOP in half and made it as effective as a one armed man in a double ore row boat. He reminds me of the former GOP Tennessee GOP governor Don Sundquist. The man who nearly destroyed a state by with a blatant liberal agenda. The state GOP leadership was split because of it. The party loyalist in office never stood up to him and Conservatives were left hanging to fight the good fight. If not for a few DEMs who joined the Conservatives, Taxquist would have succeeded.

[agrandis]

God bless y’all, and keep on keeping on! I estimate we are about 20% of the population now, but no matter who wins the Presidency tomorrow, our numbers will continue to grow. One day the weak who are groveling at the feet of the GOP leadership today, will be following us, and we will have the majority, and we have a chance to take our country back for our children and grandchildren. Aside from a great show of mercy from God, we may end up in a civil war, but some of those who hate us now will fight with us. I only hope we can grow our numbers and get enough people to think before it becomes another Spanish Civil War, with the majority fighting for either the Fascists or the Communists. At least here we have more of a history of freedom, and a larger percentage of the population with an inherent love for liberty. Deo vindice!

[MNSlim]

George W. Bush? IMO - the worst President ever in our lifetime - and that includes the incompetent, naive Carter, and POS reptilian Klintoon. Dubya's bamboozled conservatives and betrayed principle and America to the nth degree. Thanks to him and his NWO puppetmeisters' agenda, we just may have ourselves a Marxist President.

Well, tough guy, you certainly have a better president than the EVIL, VILE George W Bush now. Don't you?

[AC-130 Gunship]

Re-Read BOTH Snipe's post to you and mine. AGAIN.

Your loyalty to such an inept, incendiary, incompetent, pandering, Democrat-in Sheeps'-Clothing, lying RINO's Trojan Horse globalist have implemented socialist/NWO policies EVERY STEP OF THE WAY culminating in enabled the likes of your NEW 'Dear Leader' - President Barry Hussin Odinga Soetero and the Democrats -- to EASILY absolutely CRUSH the conservative movement and usher in a pseudo-Marxist clusterf**k of a situation.

Btw, I hear there's a opening for pool boy at GW's 100,000 acre Paraguayan paradise soon. Book your Air Paraguay flight immediately before fellow RINOs patsies beat you to the punch.

[AC-130 Gunship]

"I think Bush, Carter, Clinton, and LBJ share a four way tie award of worse POTUS in many years and are most likely among the top worse 5 ever. Each did their own damage either through arrogance, ignorance, or both. They simply are/were too much alike on too many issues including WAR policy. Add to that Ford of whom Da Bush's adapted much of their foreign and military policy after. The same Republican failed policy makers were brought in to run the military."

Definite Top 5 sh*ttiest Presidents in US history. Bush gets Top Marks for bamboozling Republicans and conservatives alike in running a political transvestite campaign - then dressing up his policies and agenda like a Dem, bankrupting the federal Reserve, reducing the Dollar to Monopoly Money, contriving a trillion dollar war in Iraq (WHEN have we become 'Nation Builders'??), NEVER saying "NO" with his VETO pen, backing Ted Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, $15 billion for AIDS Africa, $440 billion allocated in the disastrous Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac, Dubai, Harriet Miers, NO border enforcement, jailing Compean and Ramos, assigning Poppy Bush and Bubba Klinton a "special" Ambassadorship...the list goes on and on....

Most obvious is the culmination of the destruction and dismantling of majority GOP seats in the House and Senate, and setting the stage for anti-Christ Hussein 0bama.

LBJ, was a horrendous President and globalist Trojan Horse as well; Carter gives AWAY the Panama Canal among several other utter stupid policies. Clinton destroyed the honor and integrity of the White House, while his corruption and filth is legendary.

"Da Bush's neither one was ever Conservative yet many in hear helped create the George W Bush is a Conservative myth. A few of them finally woke up. Some woke up but still will not stand up. Bush used the WOT in such a way that if Clinton had done it they would have been screaming Impeach him for his tyranny. Clinton sure as the devil would have been questioned. Another Marxist type rule. Do not question POTUS in time of war. It is UnAmerican not to question."

Hear ya. Bush I and II (NO Conservatives at ALL) exploited conservatives' loyalties to the military and its usual noble use of force; Both and their respective puppetmeisters also exploited fake intel and as you claim the "WOT" and the original Iraq war was a joke. How does one fight a 'WOT' as the southern flank at Mexico was a GIANT sieve?? Simply, BOTH wars were contrived.

And finally true - had Bubba been running this series of absurd events in Iraq and implemented 'Homeland Security's' intrusive BS, Klinton would have been hammered BY REPUBLICANS and a call for 'Impeachment' a foregone conclusion. AND THEY WOULD HAVE HAD A CASE!!

"Ford and Da Bush's LOWERED the standards of what is expected in the GOP. Bush JR ruined many good Conservatives chances for house and senate seats to make way for giving long time friends and thinkalikes political favors. RINO Lamar Alexander is a good example.

THIS is what made them all from Ford to Dubya so transparently globalist country club RINOs Elites with NO intention of EVER promoting conservatism; The lone true conservative as we know was Ronald Reagan. But even he couldn't stop the infiltration of RINO Elite vampires from sucking the blood out of the conservative movenment.

"Bush split the GOP in half and made it as effective as a one armed man in a double ore row boat. He reminds me of the former GOP Tennessee GOP governor Don Sundquist...."

HA! Good analogy. GW Bush took his orders from his NWO Overlords and destroyed the GOP in 4 short years. I amazes me that intelligent people can't see GW Bush as he truly is/was. And for that, the Libs/Left should LOVE him.