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Just Say NO to Mcbama and Ocain! [thread left up as a pinata, rules suspended-Jim]
Gentlewood Journal ^ | 10-27-2008 | Dan Jacobson

Posted on 10/29/2008 11:56:01 AM PDT by agrandis

Various of my friends and members of my extended family are urging me to vote for Sen. John McCain for President in the rapidly approaching general election. Few of them have much or anything positive to say about McCain himself, but they tell me that the dangers presented by the election of Barack Obama leaves us no alternative but to vote for McCain, thus blocking an Obama presidency. As always, we are told on all fronts that this is the "most important election in history."

For several reasons, I disagree with these friends and family members that our only alternative is to vote for John McCain.

Claim: McCain is the lesser of two evils.

There is not a real difference between the two presidential candidates of the major political parties in philosophy, worldview, or integrity. One is Black, and one is White. One is old, and one is young. I claim that, in spite of the rhetoric, this is where the differences end. In recent sound bites, on the topic of personal liberty and the Constitution, Obama sounds slightly more conservative than McCain. On abortion, McCain sounds a little more conservative than Obama. On foreign policy, McCain sounds slightly more hyper-interventionist than Obama, and neither sound conservative. But when you consider all of the rhetoric, their records, and the practical implications of their stated goals, all the supposed differences melt away, and we are left with another Bush Administration, or another Clinton Administration, with a slightly different flavor, but the same old direction for our nation: rapidly toward more foreign interventionism, more economic interventionism, more suppression of liberty, more complete reliance on government, more tax funding for all manner of evil, including abortion, unjust war, welfare for politically connected multinational corporations, more official corruption, and, eventually, bankruptcy, chaos and/or brutal totalitarianism.

To know how a President McCain would govern in the realm of economics, one only has to remember his actions of a few weeks ago, when he pushed for unprecedented powers for the Secretary of Treasury, and, along with Bush's urging and Obama's help, lead the way for the Senate to pass the infamous bailout bill, which was the exact bill which angry voters had just persuaded the House to reject, only now with over 450 pages of earmarks (pork), tax "extenders," and new powers for the IRS added to it. McCain publicly chided House Republicans for listening to their constituents and stopping the first monstrous bill in the House! Bush and McCain and Obama told us we were all going to suffer financial ruin if we did not pipe down and hand over our children's wallets to the banksters. Now that they have had their way, we have seen dramatic drops in all of the world's stock markets. What better example do we need to see that McCain and Obama are on the same page when it comes to economics?

What about the right to be armed? Surely McCain is better than Obama on that issue? For the answer to that question, I would direct the reader to this web address: http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm. It is a compendium put together by Gun Owner's of America, of John McCain's gun-control record.

What about immigration? More than even most Democrats, McCain has been a consistent advocate of uncontrolled immigration. In 2007, he was the co-sponsor of the McCain-Kennedy Act, which sought, among other things, to legalize the millions of illegal immigrants currently in the country. This was being pushed during the jostling for position in the primary elections, and was a very unpopular bill among the Republican rank-and-file in an election in which opposition to unchecked immigration was expected to play a huge role. Yet, somehow, John McCain managed to win the primary popular vote. Incidentally, none other than Barack Obama was an ardent supporter of this act, and also a co-sponsor.

The environment? See McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act.

Free speech? See the McCain-Feingold Act, a famously unconstitutional piece of legislation.

Foreign policy? Both candidates have advocated aggressive interventionism and nation-building. Both support our illogical and immoral policies in the Balkans, and hypocritically support the independence of a Muslim Kosovo, but oppose the independence of South Ossetia from Georgia. Both want to increase and expand our current quagmire in the Middle East.

Abortion, I am told, is where the important difference lies between John McCain and Barack Obama. Barack Obama is famously tolerant of all abortions, any time, any where. McCain, on the other hand, currently claims to be pro-life, and promises to select judges that are "strict constructionists," implying that he would nominate justices to the Supreme Court who would overturn Roe vs. Wade, if given the chance. But John McCain has flip-flopped on this issue, like so many others in his political career, several times. He has made statements in recent years that he does not want to see Roe vs Wade overturned. Also, McCain's role in promoting justice David Souter, the currently important role of Warren Rudman in McCain's campaign, and his voting record for past nominations in the Senate, is an indication of what kind of Supreme Court justices we really would get under a McCain presidency; they are not likely to be justices that would vote to overturn Roe vs Wade.

John McCain has repeatedly stated his support for Federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, and has even implied that it should be increased.

McCain shows no tendencies to stop the over $1 billion of Federal funds that go to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America every year, and under a McCain presidency, funding for this and other abortion "services" would likely increase, as it has under the Bush Administration. Until those of us who are pro-life get away from the distraction of the fight for the Supreme Court, and trying to Federalize laws against a certain kind of murder, and instead focus on the right of a state to protect the lives of its citizens without Federal interference, and, more importantly, insist that those politicians who call themselves pro-life do all they can within their sphere to stop the taxpayer funding of abortions and pro-abortion propaganda, we will never make any political ground against the Culture of Death. It's easy to call oneself pro-life, but it's another thing to stand for life consistently.

Although conservatives today have chosen to support nearly all wars waged by the Federal government, and believe any and all justifications for these wars, unjust and needless wars are also the taking of innocent lives. In other words, it is state-sponsored mass murder. Why do we rightly speak out against the evil slaughter of millions of babies through abortion, but tolerate and even support the needless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of babies in other countries in wars that are based on government falsehoods and flimsy justifications?

Claim: McCain has better character.

Others will admit that there is no essential difference between the politics of McCain and Obama, but that Obama is a man of bad character, and associates with bad eggs, while McCain is a war hero.

While I, too, am very disturbed by Obama's personal and political associations, and do think his character is a relevant and important topic, I am equally disturbed by the associations of John McCain. Disturbingly, there is even some overlap in the nefarious associations of the two men. In the interest of space, I will leave it to the reader to investigate for themselves the following partial list of associations with John McCain: The regime in Libya, the regime in Georgia (the country, not the state), mob boss Joe "Bananas" Bonano, Charles Keating (how can we forget that?), George Soros, and Juan Hernandez (McCain's Director of Hispanic Outreach).

As for the designation of John McCain as a war hero, it is indisputable that he was shot down on a bombing raid, and that he spent over 5 years as a Prisoner of War (POW) in North Vietnam. However, what happened to him as a POW is disputed. Many Vietnam veterans, including some of his fellow POWs, claim that McCain cooperated with his communist captors without undergoing the torture he claims was administered. They claim that he was given special treatment by the North Vietnamese, because of his special status as the son of an Admiral, and because of his willingness to cooperate in producing propaganda with them.

These men who make these claims are also veterans, and were also held captive by the enemy as POWs, so there is no reason to automatically discount their claims, or to say they are less credible than McCain because of McCain's status as a war hero. Two things give credence to their claims, in my view. One is the frequency with which John McCain lies today (he has been caught in too many blatant and public lies to itemize here), proving that the truth is not something he finds to be important. Secondly, John McCain, as a US Senator, has doggedly stonewalled attempted investigations into the fate of the many POWs and MIAs left in Southeast Asia. The surviving loved ones of the many missing US Servicemen have been publicly belittled by McCain, and have been the recipients of displays of his famous violent temper, for simply wanting to know the truth about the fate of their missing family members. Further, McCain stated that no POWs in Vietnam were interrogated by Soviet agents. We now know through evidence and testimony that has since come to public light that this statement is not true, and also that McCain had to have known it was not true, based on his seat in the Senate. The demeanor of McCain toward these surviving family members of POWs and MIAs and their advocates, and his tireless efforts (teaming up with Senator John Kerry) to block their searches for answers, seems incongruous with his claims regarding his years as a POW.

John McCain's military career before being shot down in Vietnam was spotty, at best. He was known as a party animal, and lost five aircraft, including the one shot down over North Vietnam. Only two of these crashes could be considered combat-related, including a fiery explosion on an aircraft carrier that killed 134 sailors.

While I'm writing about character, I will mention the fact that McCain left his first wife after she was in a car wreck that left her confined to a wheelchair, for a younger, much richer woman who has better political connections. He may repudiate the foolishness of his youth, and one need not be perfect to advocate virtue, but the abandonment of his first wife does understandably cast doubt on his character, and does not put him on strong moral ground to advocate family values.

Claim: McCain's no good, but his VP pick is:

Some argue that I should vote for John McCain because of his running mate, Sarah Palin. They agree that there is no difference in the character or policy views of McCain and Obama, but that McCain is old, and may die in office, and the true conservative Palin will take his place. But leaving aside doubts of the stories about her fighting corruption within the GOP in Alaska, and whether her professed feminism is good or bad for her family and our society, Sarah Palin shows her true colors by even being willing to be the running mate of John McCain, and being willing to promote him and his politics. She has embraced McCain's politics, and has already been willing to compromise her past views. If she is half the woman her supporters think she is, she will be somehow removed by the current corrupt GOP leaders, or she will remove herself.

In conclusion, I believe that a John McCain presidency would be at least as bad for our nation and our families as an Obama presidency, and perhaps even worse, since he would be falsely viewed as the conservative choice of the voters, though he would run the country in no appreciably different way than would Barack Hussein Obama. (I use the phrase "run the country" because thanks to the Congresses and the Administrations of the last 20 years, the President of the United States is for all practical purposes a dictator.) As we have seen with George W Bush, a Republican President gets support from much of the conservative portion of the population when he does things that would incite near riot by the same people if he were a Democrat. Therefore, perhaps it is better for a Democrat to hold that obscenely powerful position for now, with the hope for some popular resistance to his actions, and some unity in the opposition among conservatives.

Each election, conservatives reluctantly vote for someone for President who is more progressive, more socialistic, and less Constitutional than the candidate in the previous election. When will it end? When will we say "no more?"

I have decided to vote for Chuck Baldwin, of the Constitution Party. I urge all Americans who are tired of the lawlessness, corruption, and increasing totalitarianism of our current government to vote with me for Chuck Baldwin, or to vote for another Third Party, or to write in someone else, or to not vote for President at all. Don't throw away your vote! Why choose between drowning and hanging? Why choose between Benito Mussolini and Vladimir Lenin? This election, let's not give these nihilistic demagogues our consent to govern us. Just say no to Ocain and Mcbama!

Thanks for reading...

Dan Jacobson


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This is rather long, but it's an exhaustive defense for those of us who are rejecting the supposed "choice" we have this election.
1 posted on 10/29/2008 11:56:03 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis

I think you mean, “exhausting.”


2 posted on 10/29/2008 11:58:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: agrandis

Vote for McCain/Palin and quit playing to the
beat of the MSM and democrat party.


3 posted on 10/29/2008 11:59:42 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama and ITS thugs are made paranoid by Sarahnoia. (stole from molly_jack2007))
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To: 1rudeboy
I think you mean, “exhausting.”

Yeah - that too. :)

4 posted on 10/29/2008 12:00:35 PM PDT by agrandis (What kind of nation sends its women into combat?)
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To: agrandis

Chuck Baldwin will never be President of the United States.

The next President of the United States will come from the Democrat or Republican ticket.

For President this year, one can (1) vote Obama/Biden, (2) vote McCain/Palin, or (3) resign oneself to irrelevance.

Choose wisely.


5 posted on 10/29/2008 12:00:57 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: agrandis

Peddle this rotten fish somewhere else. If you can’t see the stark differences between Senators Obama and McCain, you have no business voting, IMO.


6 posted on 10/29/2008 12:01:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: agrandis

Are you serious? McCain is pro-life and always has been! Dr James Dobson and the Christian right are supporting him and Sarah Palin!


7 posted on 10/29/2008 12:01:10 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: agrandis

Alrighty then, but those of us who don’t want abject socialism are still voting for McCain/Palin.


8 posted on 10/29/2008 12:02:01 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
...quit playing to the beat of the MSM and democrat party.

Exactly the point of the article.

9 posted on 10/29/2008 12:02:10 PM PDT by agrandis (What kind of nation sends its women into combat?)
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To: agrandis
There is not a real difference between the two presidential candidates

Someone hasn't been paying much attention.

Go back to sleep, let others do the real thinking.

10 posted on 10/29/2008 12:02:26 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: agrandis

Idiot.


11 posted on 10/29/2008 12:02:43 PM PDT by McGruff (Vote early! Vote often!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Check out the two links on this knucklehead’s blog site: Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul. I’ll give you two guesses who’ll be bitching the most when Obama gets elected.


12 posted on 10/29/2008 12:02:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: agrandis; Jim Robinson
The author is an idiot.. I could go through point by point, but the simple fact is, only McCain or Obama are on enough tickets to get 270 electoral votes so every other option is unrealistic. To say there is no difference is also stupid. McCain may be a RINO- my grandmother likens him to an old school Democrat like Harry Truman- but even as a Truman style democrat, it is still a distinction over a Leonid Brezhnev style Marxist that is Obama. To quote Jim, here is a list of what you'll get under Obama.

1) Socialized health care.
2) Surrender the war on terror.
3) Tax “cuts” for people who don’t pay taxes and tax increases for those who do (Marxist redistributionism).
4) Amnesty, drivers licenses, gov subsidized mortgages, education, healthcare, welfare, etc, for illegals.
5) Drastically cutting defense budgets while increasing federal social programs.
6) Re-implementing the fairness doctrine.
7) Strengthening abortion on demand as the “law of the land.”
8) Advancing gay “rights.”
9) Packing the courts with liberal activist judges.
10) Working with Reid and Pelosi and the socialist congress to implement the liberal agenda against America.
11) Continue the ban or blockades on drilling, refining, mining and nuclear power.
12) Drive our economy into the ground through high taxes, big spending, choking regulation, mandates, global warming, treaties, etc.
13) Advance world government demands against America.
14) Dismantling our defenses against terrorist attacks in America.
15) Shutting down our military bases, cutting the strength of the army, navy, air force and marines.
16) Scrapping our ships, scuttling our nuclear defense programs.
17) Dissolve our borders and scrap our national sovereignty.
18) Introduce European style socialism into America.
19) Erode away the remnants of the US Constitution.
20) Continue advancing the liberal gun gun grab through judicial activism.
21) Dilute our voting power by flooding the registration rolls with massive registration fraud, followed by massive voter fraud.
22) Bringing Chicago style political corruption to DC.
23) Continue the poisoning of our youth through anti-America propagandizing and socialist indoctrination in public schools, colleges and universities.
24) Advancing the so-called “Black Liberation Theology.”

To say that McCain is no different is to be willingly blind or willingly ignorant.

13 posted on 10/29/2008 12:03:25 PM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: agrandis

Yeah, very long but short on substance.....

The best lies have a little truth in them.....

Just his reference to the Abortion issue on the difference between the two candidates shows how little the author understands either cadidates positions.....

But just remeber there are only two teams taking the field this upcoming Tuesday. Sittin’ home and crying in your beer that your team didn’t make it doesn’t mean that McLame shouldn’t be supported.

The alternative is a unabashed, lying, two faced, racist Marxist.....


14 posted on 10/29/2008 12:03:48 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: agrandis
I have decided to vote for Chuck Baldwin, of the Constitution Party.

Good luck with that, Danny.

15 posted on 10/29/2008 12:03:57 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: agrandis
Yeah, very long but short on substance.....

The best lies have a little truth in them.....

Just his reference to the Abortion issue on the difference between the two candidates shows how little the author understands either candidates positions.....

But just remember there are only two teams taking the field this upcoming Tuesday. Sittin’ home and crying in your beer that your team didn't make it doesn't mean that McLame shouldn't be supported.

The alternative is a unabashed, lying, two faced, racist Marxist.....

16 posted on 10/29/2008 12:04:19 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: agrandis

Lead:follow...or get out of the way. Go McCain/Palin


17 posted on 10/29/2008 12:04:19 PM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: McGruff
Idiot.

I'll second that ...

18 posted on 10/29/2008 12:05:01 PM PDT by clamper1797 (BHO ... the 'H" stands for hubris)
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To: agrandis

Oh never mind, I just looked at the source article and saw ‘Lew Rockwell’ links.. why did I waste my time even responding? We might as well be discussing structural integrity dynamics with Alex Jones.


19 posted on 10/29/2008 12:05:16 PM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: agrandis

Thou doth defeneth too much.

Vote for whoever you like.

Like him or not, I’m voting for the the man who will provide the best protection for those serving our nation in harms way.

Not a tough choice.


20 posted on 10/29/2008 12:05:27 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Carry on regardless!")
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