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Pitts: About the Confederate battle flag, remember this: Nazis have a heritage, too
The Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | 3 March 2008 | Leonard Pitts

Posted on 03/03/2008 10:37:49 AM PST by Rebeleye

They will tell you the Civil War was not about slavery. Remind them that the president and vice president of the so-called "Confederate States of America" both said it was. They will tell you that great-great grandpa Zeke fought for the South, and he never owned any slaves. Remind them that it is political leaders - not grunts - who decide whether and why a war is waged. They will tell you the flag just celebrates heritage. Remind them that "heritage" is not a synonym for "good." After all, Nazis have a heritage, too.

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To: Non-Sequitur

No, only those who have published deserve to be taken seriously as historians. You’ve used only your unpublished work as a source and you’re not published. Real historians don’t start out trying to prove a point and then cherry pick one or two quotes to prove that point. You’d describe the totality of the event. If your work had been subjected to peer review, if you were an actual historian, instead of pretending to be one on the internet, you would have learned that.

As has been said to you by many people here, you can write all you want but at this point you’re just some guy on the internet. Why don’t you spend your time trying to get published in a real journal instead of spending it here? Even if you were to convince me of anything, so what? Ya’ gonna’ put that on your CV?

Besides, students are smoking in the bathroom and you need to go bust them.


541 posted on 03/06/2008 5:59:18 AM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: Locomotive Breath
Why don’t you spend your time trying to get published in a real journal instead of spending it here?

Because it's so much fun tweaking with whiny southron types like A20 and egotistical boobs like you?

542 posted on 03/06/2008 6:04:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Now who’s the loser? You’re obviously the teacher who’s the butt of all the practical jokes at school and you can’t figure out why. So you head on over to the internet.

And....you’re still not published.


543 posted on 03/06/2008 6:16:45 AM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: Rebeleye
Instead of rewriting history perhaps he should study it first before commenting on it and learn why the South is so set on thinking they were right in the war....Hint the war did not start over slavery Lincoln added it as a point latter to get the churches behind him, including hopefully those in the South also.

Only a rewriting of history can make it a war about slavery otherwise it would have been a lot easier for the North to win.

544 posted on 03/06/2008 6:23:50 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Tallguy
yes it did. in BOTH north & south.(the percentage of slave-ownership in north & south was about the same = 5-6%.)

the difference was that MOST of the northern slave-owners were hypocrites, who "damned" slavery while profiting FROM it.

free dixie,sw

545 posted on 03/06/2008 9:02:45 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: ichabod1
actually Pickett's charge very nearly worked.

had just one more CS infantry regiment been thrown at 20th ME, the WHOLE of the northern army would have folded up down that ridge-line, like a paper accordion.

according to the NPS docent at the museum, 20th ME had a TOTAL of 32 rounds left at the end of the battle;most of that was pistol ammunition.

so the charge wasn't a "foolhardy" tactic.

free dixie,sw

546 posted on 03/06/2008 9:11:26 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
if you were half as smart as you think you are, you would know that "the firing on Ft Sumter" was NOT the first battle of TWBTS.

you need to look about a thousand miles farther west & about 4-5 years earlier.

free dixie,sw

547 posted on 03/06/2008 9:15:51 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: ichabod1; All
don't you KNOW that N-S, "The DAMNyankee Minister of PROPAGANDA", is always "150% right" about every issue & is "a legend in his own mind"???

otoh, N-S is the ONLY one of the DAMNyankee extremists on FR that has both a functioning brain & an education.

the rest of the members of "the DY coven" are just HATE-filled, sanctimonious,nitwits/bigots/antisemites/IDIOTS.

free dixie,sw

548 posted on 03/06/2008 9:23:27 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: unspun
what an UTTERLY dumb post!

you should go sit in the corner with a pointed hat.free dixie,sw

549 posted on 03/06/2008 9:28:20 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Well, I’ll believe what the good nuns taught me in history before I believe an un-reconstructed charter member of the Jeffy Davis fan club.


550 posted on 03/06/2008 9:29:46 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Trueblackman
HI!

fwiw, i heard you on WMAL the other day & thougfht that you sounded better than the host.

have you considered joining the talk-staff of WMAL?? (you should.)

free dixie,sw

551 posted on 03/06/2008 9:32:13 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: dinoparty
laughing AT you.

do us all a favor. turn off your computer & go do some research, such that you won't appear to be as ignorant as the members of "the DAMNyankee coven" on FR.

that crew gives new meaning to the term: "dumb & clueless".

free dixie,sw

552 posted on 03/06/2008 9:36:32 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Wrong. Longstreet had it right. If he had Lee’s job, the Confederacy would have had a better chance.


553 posted on 03/06/2008 9:46:12 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: stand watie

Wow, what bit your ass? How about a little civility?

Lee did not support abolition. It is an exaggeration to say he did, to put it charitably. “Myth” might be a more fitting word.


554 posted on 03/06/2008 9:50:03 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: stand watie
actually Pickett's charge very nearly worked.

Pickett's Charge was the 3rd day. The 20th Maine's stand on Round Top was the second day. They were in reserve on the 3rd day and played no part.

555 posted on 03/06/2008 9:52:25 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

“you don’t think chattel slavery robbed people of their humanity? what about the slave trade? selling children in public markets?”

No, you see, its all a myth propogated by the Yankees. Actually, slaves paid good money so that they could buy themselves INTO slavery, they loved it so much. They were devastated when slavery was abolished. /s/


556 posted on 03/06/2008 9:52:58 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: stand watie; Emperor Palpatine; dinoparty

Damn stand! You’re just pissing everybody off today, aren’t you?


557 posted on 03/06/2008 9:54:21 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Wait. You think that NS is the scholar whose work he linked to in #514?
558 posted on 03/06/2008 9:55:13 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Wait. You think that NS is the scholar whose work he linked to in #514?

Apparently. Amusing, isn't it?

559 posted on 03/06/2008 9:56:34 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Locomotive Breath
I also note how you approvingly quote, as an expert in Civil War history, Arthur Lewin, a PhD in sociology who doesn't appear to have published a single paper on that subject, while Kevin Levin, who wrote the presented paper has a solid record of publication on Civil War history in professional journals.

For that matter, it's not even clear that Lewin wrote the article you quoted, since it starts with the line, "This article is provided courtesy of our partner africaunlimited.com"

560 posted on 03/06/2008 10:00:11 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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